• 420blazeit69 [he/him]
    hexbear
    33
    9 months ago

    Because it's about ending the war, not getting Russian leadership to subscribe to an abstract and unevenly defined principle.

    • @barsoap@lemm.ee
      hexbear
      3
      9 months ago

      So how does China intend to end the war, respecting Ukraine's sovereignty, without getting Russian leadership to subscribe to the said principle?

      • Bobby_DROP_TABLES [he/him]
        hexbear
        32
        9 months ago

        Idk, sounds like something that should be hashed out in peace talks, preferably done after calling a ceasefire

        • @barsoap@lemm.ee
          hexbear
          1
          9 months ago

          A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

          And "should"? "preferably"? Are you going to bend reality by the force of moral imperatives?

          Russia is unwilling to hold peace talks that involve Ukraine being sovereign and having its territorial integrity intact. According to the Chinese list itself, it's Russia that needs to make the next step towards peace -- by fucking off to behind its own borders.

          • Bnova [he/him]
            hexbear
            18
            9 months ago

            My brother in Christ, Ukraine is unwilling to hold peace talks with Ukraine being sovereign. The last time they were close to a peace deal Boris Johnson flew his orangutan ass into Ukraine like Marry Poppins and killed the peace deal. Sovereign nations really do get to have Boris Johnson have final say in all decision making.

            • @FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
              hexbear
              1
              9 months ago

              No way he has any influence in a foreign country, Boris Johnson can't even influence his own hair. Britain is like irrelevant on a global scale.

                • @FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
                  hexbear
                  1
                  9 months ago

                  How? They had their influence in the EU but not anymore. I can't think of any influence they have currently.

            • @barsoap@lemm.ee
              hexbear
              1
              9 months ago

              Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.

              And as you're bringing up the Brits, are you acquainted with the term "appeasement"?

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
                hexbear
                8
                9 months ago

                Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.

                Liberals understand what peace talks are challenge, any percent (impossible)

          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
            hexbear
            12
            9 months ago

            A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

            It would also benefit the people of Ukraine who are currently living in an active warzone.

            This should not be difficult to understand.

                  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
                    hexbear
                    6
                    9 months ago

                    You're obviously very horny for the war to continue, and you only live a few hours away.

                    Why wouldn't you join up if it's so important to you?