Ukraine told critics of the pace of its three-month-old counteroffensive to "shut up" on Thursday, the sharpest signal yet of Kyiv's frustration at leaks from Western officials that say its forces are advancing too slowly.
The Ukrainians could stop this war anytime they want, as could Putin.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. They do not want to fight. The russians have sought peace negotiations several times, NATO-members like the United Kingdom, have come and stopped these negotiations.
Reality is the Russians invaded. They rejected world order.
Ah yes, one day evil putler woke up and decided to invade, that's what happened. He rejected our Good Guys Rules Based Order because he's just such an evil dude.
Geez...the Russians too are drafting folks. Conscription centers in Russia are firebombed. Your BS is kind of thick.
I never said they weren't? Nice whataboutsm. You're saying the ukrainians want to fight, I show you they don't, you imply I'm a bot, and you fail to engage with the argument.
No, I think Putin is a murderer, comrade. I think he's a wanted for war crimes. I think he was so stupid that he thought this would take three days.
Hey thanks for implying I'm a russian bot just because I disagree with you! Fuck you! Newsflash: People can disagree with you.
I've never said he wasn't a murderer or wanted for warcrimes (though if we're being fair, every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries as well.) I think a guy who leads a country as big as Russia is many things, but imagining he could move state apparatus on his own to invade another country based on a whim of his, and when this whim fails he would still be in power, is incredibly stupid. Had this been the case, then Prigozhins coup would have had support. Russias reasons for invading are many, boiling it down to "Putler bad lmao" is as stupid as it is naive.
If you think he is specifically so evil, why aren't you volunteering in Ukraine against him?
"I never said they weren't." You said that because Ukraine drafts fighters they don't want to fight. That's BS.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That's not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
There has been no Russian yearning for peace talks. Even china's efforts could not move the needle.
You said russians had not held peace talks, I showed you to be a liar. You are now moving the goalposts to an unfalsifiable claim of "russians aren't yearning for peace". This also ignores the sources I have provided you.
Newsflash: calling someone comrade does not imply anything
Why did you call me comrade? We are not agreeing on anything, and I have given no indication of being either russian or a communist. You have also not called other users "comrade" until they started disagreeing with you. This is kindergarten level shit, 5-year-olds are too mature to do what you're doing.
Name a US president wanted by the International Criminal Court.
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries. Name a US president that has not commited a war crime.
Putin is stupid. Prigozhin's coup did have support and now he's dead.
On what grounds is he stupid? If the coup had support, where was this support as it was happening? Where was this support after? Where were his compatriots? You keep just making shit up. Also work on your reading comprehension
The Russians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That's not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
See how easy that is? Moot
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in severa...
That's because there isn't one. However Putin is.
In retrospect do you think invadeing Ukraine was a smart or stupid thing to do?
We were arguing about ukraines willingness to lead this war. What does Russia have to do with that? You keep bringing up Russia, as if that in any way justifies NATO supporting a country that forcibly conscripts its citizens and bans them from leaving. You keep bringing up Russia, even though your original argument was that "ukraine wants to fight". It's pretty obvious ukrainians in fact do not want to fight, which was your initial argument. You have since then attempted to move the goalposts time and time again.
That's because there isn't one. However Putin is.
Are you denying the US has commited war crimes? Yikes.
In retrospect do you think invadeing Ukraine was a smart or stupid thing to do?
I think it was an overreaction, but looking at the way the war has been going, it's pretty obvious Russia is seeing a lot of success. NATO is having equipment issues, the US and Europe are well on their way into a recession and a multi-polar world order is emerging. Wether this was worth it for Russia I cannot say.
You have yet to answer my questions. If you cannot do so, then this discussion cannot continue in good faith.
Every country will conscript during times of war, even NATO. However, NATO has 500,000 active troops Your argument is moot.
The ukrainians have to be forced to fight, they do not want to fight. We are not discussing the normality of this praxis, we are discussing wether the ukrainians want to fight, which it is clear they do not. You keep trying to move the goalposts, you keep failing to engage with the central argument. How is this a moot argument just because forcible conscription is not uncommon? Why are you this obtuse?
It's not stupid, it's an overreaction. Ha, good one. The US is far from a recession. Where do you come up with this BS?
News, studying first-hand sources, fact-checking, that sort of stuff.
Anyway you have failed to answer any of my questions, it's clear you're not arguing in good faith, so fuck you dumbass, you are a pox on this earth, and you are just too stupid to realize it! Your lack of intelligence is like a plague that drags down the entire human race, and it pains me to see the damage you cause. It's a shame that you can't wrap your mind around anything, for your foolishness will never be removed. If your reading skills were as abysmal as your lack of understanding, then I'm sure you would never recover from the ignorant state you are in! You, oh dumbass, stand before me here now, heedless and lost in your ignorance like a pig wandering in a mud wallow. Your mind is like a bramble patch, full of thorns and briars to impede any thought that might enter. Your ears are like a hollow log, unable to comprehend the words and sound from without. Your soul is like a broken bone, unable to feel the pain of enlightenment or to walk a path of righteousness. Like a fly buzzing around a dead carcass, you flit between folly and foolishness, lacking the knowledge and discernment to move forward. Your eyes are like a broken mirror, unable to see the truth and knowledge that lies before you. It is my sincere hope that one day you will come to know the power of literacy and embrace the joys of reading.
Name a US president wanted by the International Criminal Court.
In august of 2002, less than a year before our invasion of Iraq, the US signed the Hague Invasion act into law. There are no Americans on trial for war crimes at the ICC because we officially threatened to war crime them about it.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. They do not want to fight. The russians have sought peace negotiations several times, NATO-members like the United Kingdom, have come and stopped these negotiations.
Ah yes, one day evil putler woke up and decided to invade, that's what happened. He rejected our Good Guys Rules Based Order because he's just such an evil dude.
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I never said they weren't? Nice whataboutsm. You're saying the ukrainians want to fight, I show you they don't, you imply I'm a bot, and you fail to engage with the argument.
So that was a fucking lie
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Hey thanks for implying I'm a russian bot just because I disagree with you! Fuck you! Newsflash: People can disagree with you.
I've never said he wasn't a murderer or wanted for warcrimes (though if we're being fair, every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries as well.) I think a guy who leads a country as big as Russia is many things, but imagining he could move state apparatus on his own to invade another country based on a whim of his, and when this whim fails he would still be in power, is incredibly stupid. Had this been the case, then Prigozhins coup would have had support. Russias reasons for invading are many, boiling it down to "Putler bad lmao" is as stupid as it is naive.
If you think he is specifically so evil, why aren't you volunteering in Ukraine against him?
"I never said they weren't." You said that because Ukraine drafts fighters they don't want to fight. That's BS.
There has been no Russian yearning for peace talks. Even china's efforts could not move the needle.
Newsflash: calling someone comrade does not imply anything
Name a US president wanted by the International Criminal Court.
Putin is stupid. Prigozhin's coup did have support and now he's dead.
The ukrainians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That's not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
You said russians had not held peace talks, I showed you to be a liar. You are now moving the goalposts to an unfalsifiable claim of "russians aren't yearning for peace". This also ignores the sources I have provided you.
Why did you call me comrade? We are not agreeing on anything, and I have given no indication of being either russian or a communist. You have also not called other users "comrade" until they started disagreeing with you. This is kindergarten level shit, 5-year-olds are too mature to do what you're doing.
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in several countries. Name a US president that has not commited a war crime.
On what grounds is he stupid? If the coup had support, where was this support as it was happening? Where was this support after? Where were his compatriots? You keep just making shit up. Also work on your reading comprehension
I never said they weren't."
The Russians are being forcibly conscripted and banned from leaving the country. That's not bs, they do not want to fight. If they wanted to fight, forcible conscription would not be necessary. Banning people from fleeing forcible conscription would not be necessary.
See how easy that is? Moot
I never said the ICC. I said every US president is wanted for war crimes in severa...
That's because there isn't one. However Putin is.
In retrospect do you think invadeing Ukraine was a smart or stupid thing to do?
We were arguing about ukraines willingness to lead this war. What does Russia have to do with that? You keep bringing up Russia, as if that in any way justifies NATO supporting a country that forcibly conscripts its citizens and bans them from leaving. You keep bringing up Russia, even though your original argument was that "ukraine wants to fight". It's pretty obvious ukrainians in fact do not want to fight, which was your initial argument. You have since then attempted to move the goalposts time and time again.
Are you denying the US has commited war crimes? Yikes.
I think it was an overreaction, but looking at the way the war has been going, it's pretty obvious Russia is seeing a lot of success. NATO is having equipment issues, the US and Europe are well on their way into a recession and a multi-polar world order is emerging. Wether this was worth it for Russia I cannot say.
You have yet to answer my questions. If you cannot do so, then this discussion cannot continue in good faith.
Every country will conscript during times of war, even NATO. However, NATO has 500,000 active troops Your argument is moot.
It's not stupid, it's an overreaction. Ha, good one. The US is far from a recession. Where do you come up with this BS?
The ukrainians have to be forced to fight, they do not want to fight. We are not discussing the normality of this praxis, we are discussing wether the ukrainians want to fight, which it is clear they do not. You keep trying to move the goalposts, you keep failing to engage with the central argument. How is this a moot argument just because forcible conscription is not uncommon? Why are you this obtuse?
News, studying first-hand sources, fact-checking, that sort of stuff.
Anyway you have failed to answer any of my questions, it's clear you're not arguing in good faith, so fuck you dumbass, you are a pox on this earth, and you are just too stupid to realize it! Your lack of intelligence is like a plague that drags down the entire human race, and it pains me to see the damage you cause. It's a shame that you can't wrap your mind around anything, for your foolishness will never be removed. If your reading skills were as abysmal as your lack of understanding, then I'm sure you would never recover from the ignorant state you are in! You, oh dumbass, stand before me here now, heedless and lost in your ignorance like a pig wandering in a mud wallow. Your mind is like a bramble patch, full of thorns and briars to impede any thought that might enter. Your ears are like a hollow log, unable to comprehend the words and sound from without. Your soul is like a broken bone, unable to feel the pain of enlightenment or to walk a path of righteousness. Like a fly buzzing around a dead carcass, you flit between folly and foolishness, lacking the knowledge and discernment to move forward. Your eyes are like a broken mirror, unable to see the truth and knowledge that lies before you. It is my sincere hope that one day you will come to know the power of literacy and embrace the joys of reading.
In august of 2002, less than a year before our invasion of Iraq, the US signed the Hague Invasion act into law. There are no Americans on trial for war crimes at the ICC because we officially threatened to war crime them about it.
Why aren’t you fighting in Ukraine right now?