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You know what? I never thought I'd say this but I'm with Ukraine on this one.
This whole counter offensive insanity is so militarily nonsensical that it had to have been mounted to please the West with a "win" so that they'd stay in the war. Real Chiang Kai Shek committing the best of the KMT army to Shanghai to impress the Westerners energy.
The West is standing on the sidelines, supplying just enough equipment to keep the embers going and judging the ordinary Ukrainians going to their deaths by their hundreds.
Fuck the clowns in charge in Kiev and fuck the Nazi militias obviously. But at this point the men being sent to the front are old men and boys dragged off the street against their will. Sending them to die to appease the West is fucking sick.
No shit. Western training and equipment is not fit for purpose. Acting as a colonial cop by bombing with impunity ≠ attacking the strongest defensive lines of the 21st century. All their wunderwaffe just gets blown up by mines or drones.
Pretty telling that the new line being fed to NATO worshippers is 'don't say anything critical about our objective failures'. This is, ironically, the same message Goebbels pushed when failures began to mount on the eastern front after Stalingrad and then Kursk. As the Soviet steamroller continued to Berlin, the line in the media was 'it is unpatriotic to say we are losing'. And then they lost.
Okay it must have gone even worse than we thought
Cold weather begins to hit in October. It's not just "slow", it's over.
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The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It's mind blowing.
Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy's plans; the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy's forces; the next in order is to attack the enemy's army in the field; and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.
Did I read the same article as everyone else? I don't get where "failed offensive" is coming from. It was western media that created the impression of an impending counter-offensive that would all but end the war, not anything from Ukraine's armed forces as far as I know.
Since launching a much-vaunted counteroffensive using many billions of dollars of Western military equipment, Ukraine has recaptured more than a dozen villages but has yet to penetrate Russia's main defences," .... NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told CNN that Ukrainian commanders deserved the benefit of the doubt. 'Ukrainians have exceeded expectations again and again," he said. "We need to trust them. We advise, we help, we support. But... it is the Ukrainians that have to make those decisions."
This doesn't sound like a "failed" offensive to me. The "much-vaunted" part came from the West, not Ukraine. It sounds to me like western officials got themselves psyched up based on nothing and are now whining about it. So like, yeah, critics of the slow counteroffensive, shut up. You sound as ridiculous as the people who acted like Kyiv would be taken by March 2022.
Haters gonna hate. Still though, they'll need to be cordial if some of these critics are also paying Ukrainian bills. Being rude is the fast track to falling out of favor with foriegn taxpayers.
Well Zelensky did say that he was inspired by Israel and wanted to model Ukraine to be like Israel.
Even Prigozhin said that the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication. Stop parroting that bullshit.
Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake"
Hitler literally claimed that Poland attacked german soldiers.
https://www.annefrank.org/en/timeline/24/the-start-of-the-second-world-war-germany-invades-poland/
Yes. You're getting close.
Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied?
I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point.
I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality.
Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find.
I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals".
Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit.
Yeah, it's fucked up.
Also, thanks for engaging in good faith.
Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all"
Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers?
Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing.
You didn’t need to cite hitler as the cake lover, could have picked anyone else
You didn’t have to pick the fascist mercenary army leader to agree with you on the other one, either. Yet you did for some reason
Is this supposed to prove anything but you have no scruples?
I mean hexbears are otherwise so willing to take Russian sources at face value, e.g. when it comes to claims about Russian speakers getting supposedly oppressed and genocided by the Ukrainian state... then why not trust Pregozhin? What makes him less trustworthy than Solovyov?
I can’t speak for everyone, but I definitely don’t find Russian media particularly trustworthy, we like to do a little thing called critical thinking instead of just blindly accepting things
I don't trust Russia, but Pringles was not exactly an uninpeachable source of truth himself
If it's 100% fabrication then Trump shouldn't have been impeached
Nobody said there was a genocide as far as I know, but there were many ethnic cleansing attempts.
On the contrary calling Russia activities "genocide" was very common. Programmed morons.
"You and I know what is happening in Donbass," referring to the conflict zone in the east of the country, adding that: "It certainly looks like genocide."
Putin has previously made similar comparisons about the war in eastern Ukraine including in 2015 and 2019.
By a government that passed laws against using their language and that detonated bombs on them
No such law was ever passed. You might be missing some details such as the Ukrainian army largely operating in Russian.
By a Ukrainian Nazi army. Are you not aware of this? This is basic stuff you need to know before commenting.
the supposed genocide in Donbas is 100% a Russian propaganda fabrication
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They’re tired and weary from the onslaught of war fringe to safe their country from Putins aggression. Any dig at their progress is a dig at morale that spreads not only through the ranks, but also to the general public. There is a time for constructive criticism, but that should be done in private with actual solutions offered by those criticizing. I understand their needs to be some decorum but you can’t blame them for what I would consider a mild retort as their countrymen die trying to retake their land everyday.
Yeah, but like, they are their worst countrymen. Nazis and such. No one in the war stands to win anything. They will still pay their landlords and the corrupt banks for the right to live in now freshly burned down houses. Wages will stay super low, the wartime reduction becoming a reconstruction reduction whenever it ends. Anyone from Ukraine who is able to escape the nazis ought to defect to Russia where they would be taken care of a little better.
Yeah, but like, they are their worst countrymen. Nazis and such.
Regular people are being drafted, it's not just Nazis dying.
Hopping from a nation which employs fascist militia to a fascist-governed one isn't a solution to anything. All fascists involved suck shit but sheesh, let's not hope for a worse outcome
what do you expect ukraine's internal politics to look like after the war?
Like the Baltics post fall of the Soviet Union: Beeline for EU membership. Also Zelensky already said that Ukraine is willing to let go of Belgorod in exchange for NATO membership.
They can fuck off. Europeans are already paying through the nose for America's terrorist attack on our infrastructure. Paying for America's latest war is not going to happen.
And I was parroting it.
But I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine at some point occupies some fields somewhere just to make sure that whoever's going to be in power after Putin will be disposed is going to sit down and talk reparations etc.
But I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine at some point occupies some fields somewhere just to make sure that whoever's going to be in power after Putin will be disposed is going to sit down and talk reparations etc.
what kind of drugs are you on
Indeed seeing a fascist government and approving is pretty fash.
Hopping from a nation which employs fascist militia to a fascist-governed one isn't a solution to anything. All fascists involved suck shit but sheesh, let's not hope for a worse outcome
Hopping from a country in which Nazism is official policy to one in which Nazism is outlawed. It really is exactly the same, which is why the people who say this always make excuses for Ukraine and the fascist dictatorship masquerading as democracy which is the USA.
There’s a recent story about Russia’s rehabilitation of Nazism law here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65024254
It was implemented years ago, at which time the American corporate press did quite a lot of hand-wringing over protecting Nazis’ right to openly plan the extermination of Jews like me. When your own media sources are defending Nazism, maybe it’s time for a little self-examination and reflection?
I'm not an Orlov expert, but it sounds to me like he's aligning with the West, which means aligning with Nazis. My point is that there is a law in Russia which says that you cannot rehabilitate Nazism. Though this law and its enforcement is imperfect, it is significant that such a law even exists, since we know that something like this could never exist in Ukraine or in the USA, since Nazism is so profoundly pervasive in these places.
When you respond to evidence with one-liners that amuse no one, you reveal yourself to be dwelling in a fantasy realm no different from the one inhabited by Nazis. That strategy didn’t work out well for them.
Interesting
Edit: disappointed. the punch line, the beef, the point, the message never came. People put your money where your mouth is. We demand more than vague innuendo
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Tell me o long-winded rude follower of fake wizards. Say your piece and it shall be considered in these halls of eternity
Yer the kind of boneheaded cretin who couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel!
Literally my account name
That one commenter tried to say something without actually saying anything. It actually was an interesting thing
I guess the ai-pasta could be a metaphor
Sometimes there's no distinction. You get what you give and you get what you get
Should've, could've, would've. Or them. Or them starting altogether. But I got curious if there's anything worthwhile or meaningful underneath the layer
(Was the point really about silencing me??)
Sure lil' fellow! Like and subscribe to the content creators you enjoy
It's not about decorum, it's about the pointless deaths of hundreds of thousands.
Not trying to hate, but you narrowed in on excusing Ukraine for saying a mean thing to the West and its supporters. Reexamine your priorities.
