Ukraine told critics of the pace of its three-month-old counteroffensive to "shut up" on Thursday, the sharpest signal yet of Kyiv's frustration at leaks from Western officials that say its forces are advancing too slowly.
I think it's bad for thousands of ukrainians to die in war they cannot win, which they do not want to fight, purely so NATO can accomplish some esoteric geopolitical goal, but that's just me
Why would I hope people die? And in what way is Ukraine doing well? Even Western sources agree the counteroffensive is a failure. It has yet to break thru the Russian lines
Because they're banned from leaving and are being forcibly conscripted. If they wanted to fight it would not be necessary to ban them from leaving (trying to flee conscription) and it would not be necessary to forcibly conscript them.
I think they should surrender because the Ukrainians being forced to fight obviously do not want to fight, and because they have no chance of winning, so this is just senseless.
No they're also conscripted, but we're discussing Ukraine which is checks notes a different country, specifically a country which is losing people at an alarming rate.
So if a bigger country conscripts their people to invade you you should checks notes take the moral high road, get overrun and surrender as soon as possible
If a country is throwing thousands of people to their death against their own will in a futile attempt to win a lost war, then I think it's better those people get to go home and live, rather than die, since the end result is the same.
Had the situation been reversed then I would have called for Russia to accept a peace deal as well.
Do you have any idea how many people Russia sacrificed to repel the Germans? Do you think the world would be better had they just followed your advice?
I think it's bad for thousands of ukrainians to die in war they cannot win, which they do not want to fight, purely so NATO can accomplish some esoteric geopolitical goal, but that's just me
I'd say they're doing much better than you hoped
Why would I hope people die? And in what way is Ukraine doing well? Even Western sources agree the counteroffensive is a failure. It has yet to break thru the Russian lines
Why do you think Ukrainians don't want to defend their country?
If you suggest they better surrender asap because Russia has a bigger army, who do you think should be next?
Because they're banned from leaving and are being forcibly conscripted. If they wanted to fight it would not be necessary to ban them from leaving (trying to flee conscription) and it would not be necessary to forcibly conscript them.
I think they should surrender because the Ukrainians being forced to fight obviously do not want to fight, and because they have no chance of winning, so this is just senseless.
Do you believe the Russian soldiers are volunteers?
No they're also conscripted, but we're discussing Ukraine which is checks notes a different country, specifically a country which is losing people at an alarming rate.
So if a bigger country conscripts their people to invade you you should checks notes take the moral high road, get overrun and surrender as soon as possible
If a country is throwing thousands of people to their death against their own will in a futile attempt to win a lost war, then I think it's better those people get to go home and live, rather than die, since the end result is the same.
Had the situation been reversed then I would have called for Russia to accept a peace deal as well.
People dying for no reason is bad actually.
No reason?
Do you have any idea how many people Russia sacrificed to repel the Germans? Do you think the world would be better had they just followed your advice?
You are aware this analogy only works if you believe Ukraine is full of nazis, right?
You believe Hitler attacked the nazi's in Russia?
So in your analogy Russia isn't Russia? That's a pretty shit analogy buddy
They're literally running out of bodies dude
They'll slow their offensive to match. But every invader they can kill, every tank they destroy is one the next guys won't have to fight.
That's my point. What next guys.