• @robinn2
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    deleted by creator

    • @randint@lemm.ee
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      Ok, maybe Wikipedia is biased, but I want to hear your arguments on why Prolewiki is not.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        Nobody said it's not; the concept of an unbiased party, like so many other liberal frictionless spheres, doesn't exist and so is a useless hueristic for determining the veracity of information. The better question is what are this source's biases?

        • @randint@lemm.ee
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          But then what the other commenter said would basically be "Both Wikipedia and Prolewiki are biased, but Wikipedia is biased to the wrong direction. I like Prolewiki's bias more than I like Wikipedia's bias. Therefore, Wikipedia is not reliable on the topic of Authoritarianism."

          • drhead [he/him]
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            Bias is important for credibility of a source, but not for the validity of the argument presented, and for the latter you actually have to understand and think about the argument presented.

            The most important part of that page is its argument that all states wield authority and tend to tighten or relax the exercise of that authority in order to serve a given set of class interests. There's nothing in this that relies on credibility, and dismissing it on account of bias makes as much sense as responding to someone in a debate by saying "you're biased, so why should I believe you?".

          • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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            9 months ago

            Both Wikipedia and Prolewiki are biased,

            Yes

            but Wikipedia is biased to the wrong direction

            Uh huh

            I like Prolewiki's bias more than I like Wikipedia's bias. Therefore, Wikipedia is not reliable on the topic of Authoritarianism."

            Aand here you lose me. The fact that you have to assign them a frivolous reason to choose one definition over the other (I just like it lol) as opposed to this choice being the outcome of any assessment of their relative usefulnes as analytical tools kind of gives away your game here.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        The argument is not that it is "unbiased" but that it is correct.

      • @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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        9 months ago

        All human creative output is biased, ProleWiki just doesn't pretend it's not biased by hiding behind scholars and quotes that agree with the editor.

    • @paholg@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Your source is a joke. It doesn't even define the word, it just shit talks liberals.

      • @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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        It does give a definition: that there is none (lack of a definition is a definition). This is pretty clear if you read the whole page. Authoritarianism is just trying to distance itself from authority because all states wield authority in various ways, and so a word was created to separate the two and criticize the socialist bloc that also wielded authority, like the west did, but their authority was bad you see, not like ours which is good.

        But why am I saying this; you didn't read the page, you're not gonna read this either.

        In fact nobody has ever really been able to articulate to me why authoritarianism is bad beyond "I want my freedom". It just inherently is undesirable, don't ask too many questions, just accept it.