• aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
    hexbear
    66
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    If Ukraine enters peace talks now, have they gained anything or put their country in a better position since the original peace talks, which were sabotaged by Boris Johnson and British intelligence, over a year ago? Have they gained any significant territory since what was proposed then? Is their army in a stronger position? Are any gains since then worth the losses?

    Just looking at it from a purely pragmatic and realpolitik perspective, I don't see how anyone can argue that Ukraine has gained anything significant in this stalemate of a conflict. If they get similar results now, as what was on the table originally at the first peace talks, it means that their Western backers essentially sold a pipe dream to Ukraine that never materialised. Is the collective West ready to explain that to Ukraine, and the rest of the world? That they used Ukraine as a testbed for their weaponry against Russia, sold Ukraine a utopian fantasy that they'd be able to regain significant territory using Western weapons and tactics which never happened, and hundreds of tens to hundreds of thousands of people got killed or injured to accomplish very little.

    • zephyreks [none/use name]
      hexbear
      43
      10 months ago

      Turns out that an offensive is really hard. Who would've thought? Definitely not centuries of military doctrine.

    • Dolores [love/loves]
      hexbear
      20
      9 months ago

      looks like they got back a bit east of Kharkiv & to the north bank of the Dneipr---long before this last big 'offensive' tho. Russia might've given that pittance of territory up in a peace deal ooth.