https://nitter.net/peterdaou/status/1700265961046364554

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    10 months ago

    Literally can not parse anything he said because he talks too fast and provides you absolutely no time to process any opposition you might have to what he says before saying the next thing. It just comes off as annoying noise.

    It's gish gallop in video form.

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      gish gallop

      I will pick only one example:

      Biden invested 500 billion into [climate change]

      No. During Biden's presidency according to the PR talking points presented private companies did claim to have invested or are about to invest up to $500 billion in manufacturing and clean energy. Two very different things.

      [China] spent $546 billion in 2022 on investments that included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles and batteries.
      That is nearly four times the amount of U.S. investments, which totaled $141 billion.
      The European Union was second to China with $180 billion in clean energy investments

      Seems that xigma-male does more than biden-alert ( Or Trump trump-anguish ) even if you only look at clean energy for China.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      Literally can not parse anything he said because he talks too fast and provides you absolutely no time to process any opposition you might have to what he says before saying the next thing. It just comes off as annoying noise.

      Part of it is a generational divide, and part of it really is "influencer" culture being deliberately aggressively obnoxious noise.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        10 months ago

        It comes off as the same behaviour that occurs when I mention the soviet union. You get 5-8 different things about atrocities/genocide/purge/whatever thrown in your face with demands for you to counter/explain all of them all at the same time, and because that would take writing 5000+ words it shuts down conversation.

        That's precisely what this is. It's the same fucking thing but in video format. The goal of it is purely to make any response you make too long for anyone to engage with.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          It is a gish gallop, yeah.

          It's like when some sh.itjust.works or programming.dev cryptofascist showed up and said WHAT ABOUT GOMMUNISM VULVULZULA GORILLION DEAD ALSO HUMAN NATURE BUT WHO WILL INNOVATE YOU'RE ALL CHINESE AND/OR RUSSIAN BOTS ALSO YOU'RE PRIVILEGED RICH KIDS ALSO YOU DON'T HAVE REAL JOBS ALSO YOU HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS WHICH MEANS YOU ARE FUNDAMENTALLY A BAD PERSON morshupls

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            10 months ago

            It is one of the most irritating and bad faith tactics they use. I always try to highlight this and then rein them in a bit, making them pick one at a time to go into in more detail in a good faith way, and that we can pick through them one by one but doing it all at once is unfeasible. 99% of the time they immediately disengage because they're not interested in a good faith discussion.

            The best and only outcome I think that is possible when this happens is trying to highlight to other readers that the user of this tactic is not acting in good faith and is not interested in truth.

        • star_wraith [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          Perhaps my least favorite trait in my fellow Americans isn’t their ignorance about history or international affairs. It’s the breathtaking overconfidence they have that whatever historical narratives they’ve absorbed from the culture are absolutely correct and unchallengeable, even if they know you’re someone who has forgotten more about history than they know.

          • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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            10 months ago

            It’s that Protestant American ethos that every ignorant dolt and their mother should have a strong opinion on everything and share it with confidence. Truly no respect at all for expertise or knowledge in this nation, or knowing when to listen and learn

        • JuneFall [none/use name]
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          10 months ago

          It also is often how conservatives and reactionaries and a couple of libs I know talk.

          Like: "No, just cause you did a quip does not mean your argument is valid or my counter point isn't.

          Things can be true at the same time and your points are mostly re-iterating things for yourself so you feel seen and heard while your self is destroyed in capitalism since your waking hours are bound to wage work during which you only get the 5 minute and lunch breaks to present your asine opinions."