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      • Hungover [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        "Patriarchy" is a funny way to say "Capitalism" so the concept can survive and that is just needs more women to be in positions of power to exploit it.

        downbear

        Sorry but that's a bad and extremely reductive take. There is absolutely a unique factor of oppression towards non-cis-men that

        a) evolved historically
        b) reproduces itself in our current economic system, but
        c) isn't guaranteed to dissolve and could be perpetuated in a post-capitalist economic system and
        d) could be eased even under capitalism and materially benefit those affected

        Ignoring this factor of oppression results in a reductive analysis of the kind of "let's overthrow capitalism and everything will be great"

        Yes - the liberation of women, trans people of all genders, non-binary people etc. necessitates an end of capitalist structures - but that alone won't solve the problem. So saying "patriarchy = capitalism" is reductive.

        And of course men suffer from patriarchal structures too - but it's qualitatively not the same as the explotation of their labour or the way non-cis men experience gender oppression.

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        • drhead [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          This should also be expanded to include non-hetero men as well -- there's already enough literature on heteronormativity that I don't feel obligated to go into too much detail (and it is also very late so I don't want to), but it should be sufficient to say that heteronormativity and cisnormativity are major reinforcing factors for patriarchy, and that therefore homophobia and transphobia are inseparably linked to patriarchy. The oppressions experienced by cis gay men are certainly going to be different than those experienced by non-cis men, but there should still be a fair amount in common, and a large amount that cishet men do not experience.