Requiring homework on a consistent basis is not an evidence-based practice and actually introduces worse outcomes for kids whose parents/guardians are less present, which disproportionately affects poor kids and kids of color.
Why do we do it? Because there are some parents (you know the ones) who will pester the school and lobby for dropping their funding if they don’t see consistent tangible output from their students. If the kids aren’t coming home with half a dozen papers each day and a bag of books, how can we verify that the teachers aren’t just sitting around on their phones all day not doing shit and collecting a paycheck WITH OUR TAX DOLLARSSSSS?!!!?!?!
So, homework largely serves as busy work to signal to parents that teachers are doing things. And the system is designed for parents to actively encourage and participate in the development of the skills required to regularly complete homework independently by high school. Kids whose parents have less free time are inherently disadvantaged, often labeled as bad kids or lazy early on, and can have a seat on the prison train before they’ve entered middle school. It also harms kids’ self esteem and sets an unhealthy precedent for expectations around work-life balance.
There isn’t a single thing that homework accomplishes by accident which couldn’t be accomplished better on purpose via other methods. Fuck homework.
well yes and no because while it is true that there are class characteristics of which children have help from their parents with their homework it is also true that spending time outside of lesson hours working on the subject is immensely educationally valuable. Homework exists for a reason
the better solution would be some kind of government funded tutoring scheme to help those children with less present parents
The reason is tradition
Nah, get rid of it.
I know it's a pain but we do actually need to teach people how to do algebra and write poems and stuff in order to have and maintain a society with bridges that don't collapse and that produces great works of art.
And to teach those things requires that the children learning them do work outside the set of hours designated for school which are arbitrary and primarily intended to keep children out of the way while their parents are at work.
If we just got rid of homework altogether then the children of the wealthy would be sent to private tutors for extra hours and education would become less accessible not more
None of those things are achieved by homework, especially not school homework for people under the age of 18.
homework is how you get kids to do work outside of class hours it is as ridiculous to say that people practicing doing maths problems isn't how they learn maths as it is to say that practicing on the piano isn't how you learn to play the piano
you don't learn math by solving different varieties of the same problems over and over - this is neither how mathematicians learned their field historically or how they learn it today. they learn it by
a sheet of barely differentiable problems is too homogenizing and it teaches you to over generalize techniques that only work in specific circumstances to contexts in which they unambiguously don't, while simultaneously blinding you to the patterns that are, at their heart, what the study of mathematics is all about.
mathematicians do drill but they do so on problems that cover much more breadth and so that they don't lose skills they've already acquired. if you look at the problems in a math textbook not aimed at children you'll immediately see this in effect: no 2 problems can be solved by rote application of the same techniques and the problems escalate in difficulty very quickly until you're studying variations on open (i.e. unsolved) problems. (the study of open problems and the techniques developed to analyze and make progress on them constitute much of a math degree)
the only place where this doesn't apply is when you're learning basic arithmetic because that kind of computation is purely about memorization. trying to apply this to algebra prevents you from building the structures in your head that make the later study of calculus actually feasible (because you need patterns to allow you to spot what kinds of algebraic tricks will allow you to compute limits, derivatives, and integrals). and worse, if you actually go on to study mathematics in college, you will very quickly realize that absolutely nothing you were taught prior to college is of any use because it has so little to do with the actual subject.
generalizing this slightly - learning occurs when you have to stretch yourself beyond what you can accomplish in the present. drilling is effective for things that must be memorized but repetitive practice that doesn't challenge you accomplishes very little.
yeah that's what maths homework is
you absolutely can learn about algebra this way and maths is never just about memorisation that's a complete bastardisation of the subject
teach it in class instead. that's what those awful 90 minute long classes in high-school should be for.
you learn it in class then you get sent to practice what you learned otherwise there would be no time for teaching as it would all be filled up with work on solving problems
IDK what the fuck you're talking about. I haven't had math homework since 6th grade, but even back then the vast majority of practice was done during the lessons.
we might have gone to different schools
Yes
People who get anywhere in those fields don't do so by doing the bare minimum assigned by the school. Conversely, people who've hated math for the last 10 years are not going to fall in love with a sheet of derivatives and unify gravity and QM.
I did pretty well in maths and there was no way I would have gone home and done work just for fun. I came to like it but I had to be made to
kids if left to their own devices won't educate themselves they will play video games and watch tv
What happened when nobody made you educate yourself anymore via homework?
Well by then I was older and more able to understand that I needed to do work on my own if I want to learn things. But that came with maturity if you gave my 14 year old self that option I would have just stayed home all day watching tv
When did you have this epiphany?
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yeah alright mate no need to get personal about it
I'm upset.
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No they wouldn't.
I'm going to have to disagree, the wealthy already go to private tutors
Case in point: United States and SAT test prep places
Literally none of those proves effectiveness, real class dynamics, or future-proof predictions of homework or homework abolition. Stop being little buzzing bugs in my even littler worm ears.
The comment I replied to was claiming wealthy people wouldn't go to private tutors if homework were abolished.
I don't care.
oh yes they would
I just crunched the number and they actually wouldn't.
Edit: Yung Chomsky, pull up that video of the DPRK school with the wooden train for the little babies in kindergarten. Pull it up. 'Cause that's what we're building here. Did you know not only has the DPRK abolished income taxes but also homework? Can you believe this, folks?? Crazy.
sure they would I worked as a tutor that is exactly the kind of thing middle class parents do if they feel their children are academically falling behind
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I will protect all the little babies from homework torture. Unlike this freak here.
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