building another collider is very silly imo. super cern would make sense if the ship hadn't so thoroughly sailed on supersymmetry, but it sort of has, so it's hard to see why such an undertaking would be worthwhile. The LHC has done a lot for less fundamental physics, but in terms of the Higgs, that's kind of the only huge thing that the LHC has discovered. and the higgs is important, but not nearly as important as people make it out to be. the higgs field gives rise to the bare masses of particles, but most of the mass in the universe is actually held in the binding energy of quarks and gluons.
i don't really mean to engage in much lhc bashing, i think it's been a great success undoubtedly. but it was built on the promise of doing the higgs plus much much more, and i think for many, the much much more never materialized.
I worked on some SUSY models last decade and the LHC limits were a pretty big blow to everyone's motivation, mine included. Maybe we find something at the next energy frontier, but there's not a compelling reason to go there yet. One could say that it would be good to measure Higgs parameters, but we could also do that with an electron collider at the Higgs resonance for likely a lower cost. It's a mess
If you think money being diverted from scientific research would go to any of those things I have a bridge to sell you and all the profits will go to access to basic medicine and clean water.
no i completely agree, i just didn't want to kill the vibe. that's the real main issue with building a big new collider. shit's insanely, obscenely, mindbogglingly expensive. even just in terms of similar science, the cost to science ratio is absolute dogshit. even if it were worthwhile to continue spending large large amounts of money on fundamental physics research, colliders are objectively not a promising path to explore right now.
building another collider is very silly imo. super cern would make sense if the ship hadn't so thoroughly sailed on supersymmetry, but it sort of has, so it's hard to see why such an undertaking would be worthwhile. The LHC has done a lot for less fundamental physics, but in terms of the Higgs, that's kind of the only huge thing that the LHC has discovered. and the higgs is important, but not nearly as important as people make it out to be. the higgs field gives rise to the bare masses of particles, but most of the mass in the universe is actually held in the binding energy of quarks and gluons.
Oh no the only huge thing the scientific project discovered is the thing it was built with the explicit intention of discovering, what a waste.
i don't really mean to engage in much lhc bashing, i think it's been a great success undoubtedly. but it was built on the promise of doing the higgs plus much much more, and i think for many, the much much more never materialized.
I worked on some SUSY models last decade and the LHC limits were a pretty big blow to everyone's motivation, mine included. Maybe we find something at the next energy frontier, but there's not a compelling reason to go there yet. One could say that it would be good to measure Higgs parameters, but we could also do that with an electron collider at the Higgs resonance for likely a lower cost. It's a mess
who need they SUSSY ate
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If you think money being diverted from scientific research would go to any of those things I have a bridge to sell you and all the profits will go to access to basic medicine and clean water.
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no i completely agree, i just didn't want to kill the vibe. that's the real main issue with building a big new collider. shit's insanely, obscenely, mindbogglingly expensive. even just in terms of similar science, the cost to science ratio is absolute dogshit. even if it were worthwhile to continue spending large large amounts of money on fundamental physics research, colliders are objectively not a promising path to explore right now.