• carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Sure but you're ignoring that the Soviet Union got dissolved and had a friendly western handpicked succesor at that point. So no more threat to UA, no? NATOs purpose was also a reaction to the creation of Soviet Russia, but what was it's purpose after the dissolution of the SU? Why join and expand NATO when everyones friendly now?

    • ex10n@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      If everyone was friendly, why did Ukraine not give Russia their soverign land? The people of Ukraine voted for Zelensky fighting Russian influence for this exact reason. NATO continues to exist to promote stability and peace in the EU full stop. They're a defensive pact to deter outside aggression. Ukraine believes joining this pact will protect them from Russian aggression. Much like Finland and Sweden. Come on now, even Switzerland has chosen the side of Ukraine here.

      • carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        If everyone was friendly, why did Ukraine not give Russia their soverign land?

        Everyone was friendly right after the dissolution of the SU. With the prospect of NATO expansion and initially friendly Russia getting declined 3 times into the alliance they added 1 and 1 together.

        The people of Ukraine voted for Zelensky fighting Russian influence for this exact reason.

        Zelenski got voted for because he promised an end to the civil war in donbas https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955 https://www.france24.com/en/20190416-russian-speakers-ukraine-candidate-talking-language

        a defensive pact

        Like in Yugoslavia?

        • ex10n@lemm.ee
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          1 year ago

          Zelensky was voted for many reasons, this is surely a component of it! His charismatic effect and desire for sovereign governance are others.

          • carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Yeah but the protection of the Russian minority was a key mandate.

            You want to talk about historical context yet fail to contextualize anything shown to you. Your "spurring debate" is actually just bad propaganda

            • ex10n@lemm.ee
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              1 year ago

              Exactly! Ukraine's goals aim to unify a diverse population! Majority and minority alike. It's a beautiful resistance movement towards outside Russian aggression negatively impacting the lives of the Russian minority in Eastern Ukraine!

                • ex10n@lemm.ee
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                  1 year ago

                  To my knowledge it was a direct policy decision from Putin. It'd be nice to have a free and fair election to see some positive change towards this poor decision making.