Ok I haven't played BG3 yet so maybe there's some context I'm missing, but aren't Mind Flayers asexual aberrations who reproduce through literal brain worms?
(Guess the devs are still too woke to let players make love to a beholder..)
but aren't Mind Flayers asexual aberrations who reproduce through literal brain worms?
It's played as a joke with neither the PC or the mindflayer in question have any idea how mindflayers fuck. You get the option grasp one of the face tentacles and hope it's erogenous. That sorta thing.
He's (probably) not interested in the sex part and just want to make you trust him. If you have a falling out he'll reveal how he truly views you and it's really gross and manipulative.
You just have to call him a freak and he goes full incel and tells you how Duke Stelmane was basically his political meat puppet and you should be glad he's moved on to gaslighting and emotional manipulation
It's awful, especially when he ends that conversation by threatening to force you to use the astral tadpole. Real abuser energy, I could never see him as an ally after that.
This particular mindflayer was a human male once but unlike normal mindflayers he is not controlled by the elder brain and retains his memory (and personality most likely too), so in essence he is still mostly a man whom he once was.
It's a bit of a wash because while he says being a mind flayer is better than being human, but he spent decades as a thrall and relies on enslaving a dude to immunize himself from falling back into thrall. Also the record keeper god of death straight up says that mind flayers don't have souls, which objectively exist in the setting. So he may have some memories of his human life, and bases his personality on those memories, but the original human is dead and gone, subsumed by the parasite that killed him and retains his memories.
So he may have some memories of his human life, and bases his personality on those memories, but the original human is dead and gone, subsumed by the parasite that killed him and retains his memories.
So the only difference is that he is a more or less copy of a person rather than the same person.
Also the record keeper god of death straight up says that mind flayers don’t have souls, which objectively exist in the setting
That was only stated in this game. Illithids do have their own souls though they rarily shows since they don't worship any normal gods, for most of them the afterlife is to join the elder brain which itself can be a being of godly power.
Illithids do not have an afterlife though. When they die their brains are eaten by the elder brain, not uploaded into the Matrix. And in BG3 internal canon, the relevant one for the Emperor, Jergal straight up says they don't have souls and there's no greater authority on that particular matter. The Emperor is only an illithid that happens to have some of his host's memories intact.
Illithids do not have an afterlife though. When they die their brains are eaten by the elder brain, not uploaded into the Matrix.
It isn't even actually death just the next stage of their life. Also "soul losing everything and joining the greater whole" is one of major themes for afterlife so either way. Illithids who died without it can later appear as for example postulants which proved they do in fact have souls, though those are more likely the illithid souls and not the original people's souls.
And in BG3 internal canon
Yes, it do conflicts with the other lore, especially that the only "proof" for it are the words of deity that isn't known to be very relible, and it observably conflicts with what we see in game, namely people turning into lillithids and retaining their persons. It more sounds like game handwave this issue.
Though you are probably right in the sense that this game thrown a boatload of new lore about illithids and since nobody really curate canon for D&D it will probably be like that, conflict or not.
Ok I haven't played BG3 yet so maybe there's some context I'm missing, but aren't Mind Flayers asexual aberrations who reproduce through literal brain worms?
(Guess the devs are still too woke to let players make love to a beholder..)
It's played as a joke with neither the PC or the mindflayer in question have any idea how mindflayers fuck. You get the option grasp one of the face tentacles and hope it's erogenous. That sorta thing.
ok that's actually quite funny
He's (probably) not interested in the sex part and just want to make you trust him. If you have a falling out he'll reveal how he truly views you and it's really gross and manipulative.
You just have to call him a freak and he goes full incel and tells you how Duke Stelmane was basically his political meat puppet and you should be glad he's moved on to gaslighting and emotional manipulation
No regrets ditching him for Orpheus
It's awful, especially when he ends that conversation by threatening to force you to use the astral tadpole. Real abuser energy, I could never see him as an ally after that.
Which is actually wild since the Knights of the Shield worship an Archdevil.
This particular mindflayer was a human male once but unlike normal mindflayers he is not controlled by the elder brain and retains his memory (and personality most likely too), so in essence he is still mostly a man whom he once was.
It's a bit of a wash because while he says being a mind flayer is better than being human, but he spent decades as a thrall and relies on enslaving a dude to immunize himself from falling back into thrall. Also the record keeper god of death straight up says that mind flayers don't have souls, which objectively exist in the setting. So he may have some memories of his human life, and bases his personality on those memories, but the original human is dead and gone, subsumed by the parasite that killed him and retains his memories.
So the only difference is that he is a more or less copy of a person rather than the same person.
That was only stated in this game. Illithids do have their own souls though they rarily shows since they don't worship any normal gods, for most of them the afterlife is to join the elder brain which itself can be a being of godly power.
Illithids do not have an afterlife though. When they die their brains are eaten by the elder brain, not uploaded into the Matrix. And in BG3 internal canon, the relevant one for the Emperor, Jergal straight up says they don't have souls and there's no greater authority on that particular matter. The Emperor is only an illithid that happens to have some of his host's memories intact.
It isn't even actually death just the next stage of their life. Also "soul losing everything and joining the greater whole" is one of major themes for afterlife so either way. Illithids who died without it can later appear as for example postulants which proved they do in fact have souls, though those are more likely the illithid souls and not the original people's souls.
Yes, it do conflicts with the other lore, especially that the only "proof" for it are the words of deity that isn't known to be very relible, and it observably conflicts with what we see in game, namely people turning into lillithids and retaining their persons. It more sounds like game handwave this issue.
Though you are probably right in the sense that this game thrown a boatload of new lore about illithids and since nobody really curate canon for D&D it will probably be like that, conflict or not.