• Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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    10 months ago

    USA yes, Russia no. Ukrainian militias (that were then incorporated into the military, like the Azov battalion) were indiscriminately shelling civilian areas, and Russia didn't respond with a "shock and awe" campaign; as for what our government has done, we have a lot to be worried about.

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      Ukrainian militias (that were then incorporated into the military, like the Azov battalion) were indiscriminately shelling civilian areas

      Where can I read more about this?

      • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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        10 months ago

        https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/06/the-tragedy-of-ukraine/

        This brings up the Donbas situation and puts the death toll at 14,000 over eight years (I actually thought it was 8,000), but there was a chart I recall seeing somewhere that actually broke down how many people died month to month over there.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

        There's a funny segment in this boy boy video at 14:44 where you can see Zelensky go to the militias in an attempt to intimidate them into handing over their weapons (and he does it pathetically to be honest).

        https://www.crisisgroup.org/content/conflict-ukraines-donbas-visual-explainer

        This also popped up for me when I went looking for the counterpunch article and thought maybe it would provide more details.