We know all about the edgy 'manosphere' bullshit that teenage males basically get shoved down their throats these days and gladly suck up since they don't see any alternatives, but what about women?

  • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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    8 months ago

    Outside of cities, I have no idea, but in the big cities, my observation as a guy is:

    Libleft to left. I feel like there's a high baseline tendency of libleft. I think it's hard not to be that way these days because there's so many issues affecting women that are blatantly the right's making and maintaining.

    I think within libleft, there's often a support of redistributive strategies, and an interest in intersectionality. It's of course well meaning, but often within 'ultra-normal' types (you know what I mean) the interest comes and goes in an Instagram infographic. I think people are a bit over cynical about that sort of thing and it definitely comes from a place of misogyny, but it is also somewhat of a trend. They usually reveal their fleeting interest through a vague anti war post, calling for peace wherever. Violence = bad, is their throughline for geopolitics, so they get caught up in liberal news cycle trends. For a fair number of people it seems to be an aesthetic, but that's much better than nothing at all, or being right wing, like most men I meet.

    The word decolonising will come up if they're a person of colour or a person who attends university.

    In terms of actual socialism, it seems that most local orgs and Marxist events are majority straight white guys. The women are usually people of colour, and if they're white they seem to often be she/they or trans.

    • bigboopballs [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      In terms of actual socialism, it seems that most local orgs and Marxist events are majority straight white guys.

      weird how that works out

      • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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        8 months ago

        I think it's because straight white dudes are most likely to be caught up in extreme politics on the left or right online. Feel like a lot of young leftist men went down the right wing pipeline first and then awakened - you've got that political sense activated and use it to backlash on the ideology that you now find so abhorrent.

        Also I think they're most likely to be secular where I'm from, whereas other ethnicities seem more likely to have some sort of religious community to find a place that they belong, or they naturally fit into a community of people of a similar cultural background. (In my city the population is very diverse, so these groups are easy to find)

        On the other hand white dudes don't have that same sort of culture or tradition, so they end up having to create and find their own form of culture, especially if theyre secular.

          • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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            8 months ago

            No hierarchy or society will ever be based purely on merit (after all, who decides what is meritable, is that also based on merit?). Clout is incredibly arbitrary regardless of what is going on or who is running things. White guys get a lot of unearned clout, for sure, but I've been part of a couple of orgs where the Asian-American new guys had familial clout and used that clout to push out both white and black members who did nothing but bust ass for those community orgs. It's a bigger problem than just white dudes.

      • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 months ago

        In anti-police protests I've seen, a decent amount of the black bloc-ers appeared to be women, seen many a woman waving an anarcho-communist flag or the hammer and sickle, at least where I've been young women seem more politically active in general, and I tend to be in more left areas so I've seen plenty of true left women.

        • silent_water [she/her]
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          8 months ago

          yeah, most of the membership of left orgs I've seen has been predominantly men, but the women generally get sidelined

        • bigboopballs [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          And niche hobbies draw lonely, weird people. And there are a lot more lonely maladjusted guys than women, anecdotally.

          oh, yeah I think that's true. It makes sense now.