Removed from /c/worldnews as 'misinfo' despite coming from a credible source that is clear about the evidence backing up its reporting. Posting here instead.
EDIT: Beware the comments in this thread, which are attempting every possible derail. Here's what you are in for if you read the comments:
❌Reading the article
❌ Understanding the specific claims in the article
✅ Misrepresenting the article
✅ Falsely claiming there's no evidence in the article
✅ Moving the goalposts after realizing there actually is evidence in the article
✅ Derailing with unrelated topics
✅ Not engaging with the evidence but saying "no one cares"
✅ Attacking NYT's reputation by reference to unrelated articles
✅ Dogpiling with downvotes without responding to comments making legitimate points
✅ Mods inconsistently applying their own rules to remove comments they disagree with
This thread really has it all! If you also want to help derail, please be creative and add something different than the things listed above. I will be awarding originality points.
NYT isnt a credible source. See Hamas rape story.
Americans should really understand that the real threat isn't Russia or China but their own politicians and capitalists. Richest nation on the planet etc.
Why are Ben Shapiro and other right wingers not rotting in a jail cell?
Why are democrats pushing for a xenophobic border bill when it's the same thing the so called Russian agent DJ Trump wanted in 2016? Are democrats capitulating to the support base of a Russian agent?
Go ahead and make your own thread about those if you like. I don't understand why you would bring them in to try and change the subject in this particular post unless you're purposely whatabouting.
Please even just read so much as one paragraph of the article and post anything related to that, anything at all. I don't feel like that's asking too much.
Yes and no. That story was bad for a reasons specific to that story that were uncovered and sourced from other credible reporting. You can't proceed from that to a blanket generalization over everything else in New York times reports without any additional supporting evidence.
Also it's sourcing and quoting other sources, so you'd have to explain if you believe that the New York times made up those sources.
Why are they "experts"? Experts are a nonsense term. There is no actual evidence presented in the article
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This could also imply laziness.
Russian IP addresses dont mean shit either, IPs are easy to spoof.
I see no mention of Dougan in the article itself.
This is the most 'convincing' one but not very solid evidence either.
Regardless, what matters the most is that no one cares about this stupid site. If its propaganda, its the laziest type of it.
Ruskies
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ok
fr tho? because https://dcweekly.org/ says the SSL cert is cloudflare and thus not idable.
https://securitytrails.com/domain/dcweekly.org/history/a
even looking at history, they had it on google cloud, namecheap and other western providers
most of the article headlines are indistinguishable from right wing rags:
I think most of the articles are copied from right wing sites and churned through chatgpt or something
You've been wrong literally every step of the way about everything you've said and you still want to do this?
The data referenced in the report was recorded from 2021. Your link requires a login so I can't see what it says, but if I was as much of a wreckless 💩 poster as you, I would just say securitytrails is fake and just making everything up and say "nobody cares".
ok thank you for letting me know securitytrails is fake. /s
I learn from the best!
You started out by saying was no evidence, except there was. Now you've moved the goalposts and are debating the nuances of the evidence instead of saying that none was presented.
You derailed with whataboutism, you made a blanket generalization based on an unrelated story. Are you just going down the playbook, one derailment tactic at a time?
Five posts from now you will be saying "well yeah, maybe they proved the IP was from Russia, but the guy from Russia generated a fake site with 17 fake authors because he cared so much about journalistic integrity!"
ok, whatever debatebro
fuck it, ill add this:
none of the so called propaganda made by Russia is very convincing. Who is it for? Republicans? They will vote Trump regardless. Democrats? They won't like for anti-establishment shit.
Is it to convince 'independents' to vote Trump? I think Democrats are doing that much better than Russia ever could.
what im saying is, if it is propaganda it is super mid. what should west do? censorship? go ahead. block those domains.
edit 2: i cant even find the site on google btw, so clearly there is some censorship from the private sector.
Okay, the next step in the playbook is "no one cares". I don't know, I think online disinformation has emerged as one of the major international issues characteristic of our time and will go down in the history books. So I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that no one cares.
I'm sorry that calling you out on your 💩 means I'm a debate bro. But the flip side of the same coin is that you're the one spewing the 💩💩💩.
maybe US should solve domestic disinformation before going international, plenty of right wing (and liberal) newspapers reporting complete propaganda. also, maybe implement a GFW if you are that concerned about Russian disinfo.
If you were worried about disinformation you wouldn't be reading the new york times.
May I have a poop emoji please?