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  • arabiclearner
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    9 months ago

    Do you seriously think that a western citizen who reports an overseas Chinese citizen to the PRC will help China? It will draw unnecessary attention because it will make it look like China is somehow "recruiting spies" in the US. This girl is probably just some rich kid who loves the west. Have you never seen them before? Have you even left your room and interacted with the outside world? There are plenty of people from China abroad that criticize the shit out of the government. The Chinese government doesn't give a shit about small fries like them cuz they're powerless to actually effect any change. Are you even thinking dialectically? Or do you think you'll get some reward from the Chinese gov't for doing such a thing? WTF are you on about??

    • SadArtemis🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      it will make it look like China is somehow “recruiting spies” in the US

      The west will claim this regardless of reality. We live in a post-factual world by-and-large in this regard, so it doesn't matter IMO.

      As for the girl being small fries, probably. It honestly doesn't really matter much. But a comprador is a comprador, it may not matter much but it's the little things in life (like helping a society drive out its libs) which make life all the sweeter. What disadvantage with all this in mind, is there? Maybe, just maybe there is the chance of good coming out of it- the chance of anything negative is negligible, and then there's the personal satisfaction angle to consider as well.

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        8 months ago

        Snitching on an international student will not help China drive out it's liberals. China has a bourgeois class operating in full public view. China will drive out liberals by developing it's relations and forces of production and transitioning to a higher stage of socialism.

        The potential disadvantages are many. Including (1) ruining a naive young person's life for no reason (2) putting yourself and the girl on the five eyes' radar just to cosplay a cold war spy and (3) substantiating (Chinese) liberals' claims that communists are aUthoRitArian.

        • SadArtemis🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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          8 months ago

          Agreed with the first paragraph, and with point #2 on the second. As to this girl being "young and naive" or anything substantiating claims that commies are "authoritarian" though- I don't expect anything would come of it unless she were actually up to no good. I have been young and naive myself, but that did not change the fact my actions could cause harm, and also consequences upon myself.

          And when it comes to "authoritarianism"- apart from that said claims would be made regardless of the fact, why should we care what Chinese or western liberals think? They've already made up their minds, and the overwhelming evidence to the contrary exists if they ever become willing to change their minds as well. Capitalist countries certainly keep a close eye on leftist, particularly communist, and any minority organizations, because they're trying to protect their economic system, abhorrent as it is. And AES countries absolutely do, and should do the same- it is in the interest of any state, any ideological grouping, to do so, and to shirk from it out of some misguided libertine ideals will simply invite disaster, and is not a mercy that will ever be returned in kind. But I repeat- I don't expect anything to come of this even if she were reported, unless she were genuinely up to no good. Anyone with the sense to see it can see China is not some totalitarian place, as you said, there are even bourgeoisie operating in public view- and in many ways China could be said to be freer than the west, in large part due to the cracking down on and actual consequences for bourgeois liberals which does not exist in the west.