• QueerCommie [she/her, fae/faer]
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    6 months ago

    I’m surprised he said nothing more on this in the book than the pre-release interview. He doesn’t even consider the colonial contradiction or the rich anti-(us) colonial history. It’s also valuable to point out how the US has always failed to put into practice their supposed values rather than copying the liberal narrative of a “more perfect union” being the goal.

    • panned_cakes [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      6 months ago

      Oh and this was on like page 97/143 in my reader too lazy to grab the chapter but it's like third section from the end

    • panned_cakes [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      6 months ago

      This is section three of a large bit on this, and it gets cut off, it's on Libgen.

      • QueerCommie [she/her, fae/faer]
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        6 months ago

        I’m sure there’s more, it’s just funny how this portion is nothing but what he said before the book even came out.

        • panned_cakes [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          6 months ago

          I'm very interested in deciphering the whole puzzle with the patsoc people because Maupin has to be an informant, he almost verges on the Charles Manson archetype, obviously he's no Gazi Kodo

          • QueerCommie [she/her, fae/faer]
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            6 months ago

            I’m more interested in if the more serious MWM and PCUSA types are just chauvinists or have some sort of backing.

        • panned_cakes [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          6 months ago

          Maupin's critique of the whole Brian Becker + PSL + Answer NGO network is actually really good at some points, but then he goes off the deep end talking about how the USSR was collapsed by foreign ideological subversion without discussing the mismanagement of agricultural production, geopolitics etc, he implies MKULTRA mind control (or maybe just mass psychology idk he doesn't clarify it's dumb) was used to collapse the USSR. Theory: bunk. Accurate history of how sketchy WWP and PSL and whatnot are: quite good. The man is a sex trafficker and now a Mormon??? Like what the hell

          • QueerCommie [she/her, fae/faer]
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            6 months ago

            Yeah, the protest left is worthy of criticism, but the pazis are not offering real alternatives or even coherent theory a lot of the time.

            • panned_cakes [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              6 months ago

              I really would be more hesitant to lump all these guys together with Carlos Garrido, Radhika Desai, Carlos Martinez, and other anti-imperialist writers. For instance, Infrared is someone whose cult I have monitored, and his ideas have practivally nothing to do with these people. He's a Heideggerian nutjob.

              If MWM was "wiling to collab" with Haz, it was likely because of these quotes from Lenin and Engels and Ho Chi Minh they are quoting about a willingness to communicate with people who have impure beliefs.

              That tracks for me, I extricated so many people from their cult into my epic hangout zones they started to call me The Skinwalker.

              • QueerCommie [she/her, fae/faer]
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                6 months ago

                Totally, the “MAGACommunists” are more absurd and different from patsocs. That doesn’t mean the right deviationism isn’t related and a problem in both.

                • panned_cakes [none/use name]
                  hexagon
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                  6 months ago

                  At least it's actually coherent on some level unlike Maupin's shit. They're citing a lot of different communists and US civil rights activists making use use of the same kind of language appealing to the few progressive aspects of the US revolution, I sense some weird lingering streamer beef here. I say all this as a person who believes the US is already a fascist nation, essentially.

                  I think some of the language which can be found on More Perfect Union's website is way more extreme than either, as a side note. I see them posted around a lot for their reporting on labor action. I remember one of their articles popped up in my feed and it's a white dude talking about being oppressed for having red hair and how Obama inspired him to be a lawyer. He clarifies he's part of the organization just because he followed one of the org leaders on Twitter for ages. Look at this from their form about setting up a chapter:

                  Criteria for Fellowship Candidates

                  Fellows may apply individually or have someone nominate them. Individuals recommended/applying as candidates for the Fellowship should be:

                  Served or still serving in the military or are a military spouse, or a public servant (AmeriCorps, Senior Corps, VISTA, Peace Corps, educators, first responders and health-care workers, local, state and federal government employees, and nonprofit workers)
                  25 years of age or older
                  Willing and able to commit to a minimum of one year of service as +MPU Brickyard leader in your local community
                  Comfortable speaking in front of large audiences, cameras, and hosting events
                  At a crossroads in their lives—having already achieved professional success, they are ready to renew their commitment to serving the public good and healing American democracy by serving their communities
                  Willing to uphold +MPU’s values in accordance with our Community Agreement
                  Are from a diverse background in terms of political ideology, ethnicity, race, gender, sexual orientation, physical ability, and geography