https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil

  • Awoo [she/her]
    hexbear
    30
    2 months ago

    I think it's very important for people to understand the value and significance of well trained properly supplied troops compared to like, average. The really serious soldiers that are actually good at soldiering compared to regular average gang.

    This video, while chuddy, is a very interesting insight into the impact of such units. https://youtu.be/OyWmpoLrkBI

    Several times in this video the iraqis are essentially driven back by what I would speculate is supply loss. For example the truck that arrives on top of the damn and engages US special forces for 1 hour before retreating likely ran out of ammunition, and faced with the lack of ability to fight then withdraws. Additionally assaulting a defensive position without mortars and/or artillery is basically impossible against well trained forces, especially over any remotely open ground, you are simply throwing bodies at them to get mowed down.

    The IDF are very poorly trained conscripts, with a few units that are excellent proper units but not very many. Most of the IDF do not want to be there, they are not fighters, they are mandatory service members. Contrast this with the Hezbollah fighters and the Special Forces they had with them, they are people who signed up for this, they are willing to die for what they believe in, and they are very well trained.

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
      hexbear
      10
      2 months ago

      Gotta do your national service, get some promotions to put on your resume, and hopefully don't die. I imagine is the attitude of a lot conscripts.

      • Awoo [she/her]
        hexbear
        6
        2 months ago

        Yeah exactly. There's a huge difference between these people that are actual fighters, and then there's a huge difference again between the actual fighters and the ones that want to be oorah specops goons. They live, eat and breathe fighting and it shows when they go up against one another. It's like the people at the top of a sport going against the people at the bottom of it, and in the case of conscripts it's like the people at the top of a sport going against a bunch of people that don't play the sport and don't want to be playing it. The result is predictable.