• JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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      1 month ago

      I love how people love to rag on vegans talking about veganism unprovoked.

      Those damn vegans always not even being part of the conversation yet! Let's make fun of them trying to save the planet so they can show up and we can talk about how self-righteous they are.

      • AmaryllisBlues [she/her]
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        1 month ago

        I also find it amusing that anything that mentions animal rights or factory farms is assumed to be a pushy vegan. I've met dozens of people who buy grass-fed flesh because "its better for the animals". Ignoring that it isn't

    • Zacryon@lemmy.wtf
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      1 month ago

      True, increased demand for meat is one of the driving factors of ecological malpractise as it's found in the meat industry.

      Plant based diets and a lifestyle free of animal products provide a more sustainable and ecologically beneficial alternative. As does reducing the overall world population of course.

        • Zacryon@lemmy.wtf
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          1 month ago

          Humans need at least some meat to survive. [...] It causes long-term, serious harm to people who do not supplement their diet with at least some meat. [...] completely cutting out meat is bad for you.

          That is not correct.

          Advocating a vegan (or even vegetarian) diet is ignoring science and how our bodies function. [...] Pure veganism is a cult that ignores science, diet, and common sense.

          To the contrary. It is very much supported by science. Are you interested in the scientific literature? I'll happily share.

        • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
          hexagon
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          1 month ago

          The science doesn't agree with that

          It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/

          Nevertheless, several RCTs [randomized controlled trials] have examined the effect of vegetarian diets on intermediate risk factors of cardiovascular diseases (Table 1). In a meta-analysis of RCTs, Wang et al. (22) found vegetarian diets to significantly lower blood concentrations of total, LDL, HDL, and non-HDL cholesterol relative to a range of omnivorous control diets. Other meta-analyses have found vegetarian diets to lower blood pressure, enhance weight loss, and improve glycemic control to greater extent than omnivorous comparison diets (23-25). Taken together, the beneficial effects of such diets on established proximal determinants of cardiovascular diseases found in RCTs, and their inverse associations with hard cardiovascular endpoints found in prospective cohort studies provide strong support for the adoption of healthful plant-based diets for cardiovascular disease prevention

          https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/am/pii/S1050173818300240

          Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12778049/

    • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 month ago

      What the fuck are you talking about? Countries with low birth rates and high incomes are the ones eating giga tons of meat