This shit has seriously gone on too long. People who continue to cling to the "10,000 dead crushed by tanks hosed i to the gutter" bs are cranks. It's jews control the banks, chemtrails, the earth is flat, the moon isn't real level of crank shit and unless you're feeling very indulgent and someone is asking in good faith it can be dismissed as equally serious to that kind of crank shit.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
    hexagon
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    26 days ago

    the protestors

    It needs to be made clear; The insurgents were a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the student movement, a few hundred, maybe a few thousand people out of hundreds of thousands of activists across the country. They were not at all representative of the '89 protest movement. Chai Ling wasn't a protest leader, she was just some CIA backed asshole and she and her goons bullied their way up to the PA and took it over. They did not represent the student movement or Tianamen Square. It must be stressed that the movement was mostly in opposition to Dengist market liberalization. Folks wanted to preserve communism against marketization of the economy. A secondary factor was a desire to create a more permissive social environment that reflected communist views of gender equality and allowed young people more freedom to express themsevles. Again, not because of government repression, but because they viewed contemporary chinese culture as very staid and conservative in a way that was not in line with their communist values.

    • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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      26 days ago

      It's always funny to fire back at Redditors that the vast majority of the protestors weren't mad about communism, they were mad that things weren't communist enough.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      26 days ago

      Wrong. They wanted freedom to wear jeans and buy 50 flavors of industrial sized mayonnaise

      • rio [none/use name]
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        25 days ago

        The Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t happen because in reality David Hasselhof sang on the Berlin Wall and East Turkmenistan became free