I'm not banned yet because the admin's at least a bit sympathetic, but I sure as hell don't think 90% of the group's gonna want to speak to me after this. I told them I'm voting and campaigning for a 3rd party candidate who is anti-Israel and pro-trans and explained that I could not in good conscience vote for Biden after his blatant and willing complicity in genocide. Here are some of the arguments I encountered in response to that:

  • "Not voting for Biden makes it easier for Trump to win, and Trump will genocide trans people in addition to Palestinians. Therefore anything you do supports genocide, so you might as well support less genocide."
  • "Your trans friends will all know that you're functionally anti-trans." (I'm sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)
  • "Trump would genocide Palestinians even harder."
  • "Biden wants to stop the genocide, but the Republicans won't let him."

Some choice quotes:

Have pride in your self centeredness, I guess.

Choosing someone who you know cannot win, especially as they're not the chosen candidate, is only symbolically different than choosing apathy.

It's just objectively how it works in this system. There is no non vote.

And it is most depressing your friends here at home are not important enough to check one box for.

And this:

[The Palestinian] genocide is going to happen regardless of the two. But the one that's happening here, that one can be stopped. And you refuse to do anything about it because you think you're so much better.

You're right about one thing, though. I do think I'm better than people who give their endorsement to running over Palestinian children with tanks.

And I'm better than people that choose two genocides at once, I guess. If we're ranking each other. I'd laugh if it wasn't stupid.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
    hexagon
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    3 days ago

    Are they completely ignorant of the trans genocode happening under Biden?

    One of them linked me something called "President Biden's pro-LGBTQ timeline"

    • itappearsthat [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      before 2030 the us will backslide on gay rights to the point that these liberals would have justified bombing it, as a country, on those grounds in the current day

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      3 days ago

      Get in the Delorean, Jack, we're gonna make everyone gay in the past

    • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 days ago

      Does that include the 100's of anti lgbtq laws and over 20 states trying to criminalize queers? Especially the attacks on queer youth?

      What the hell has Biden done to defend us?

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        3 days ago

        Erin in the morning estimated 200,000 internally displaced people, refugees, within the us who were trans or family members of trans people fleeing persecution by the us state. Dunno where she got her number, but it feels right.