• Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      Yeah but what if we imagine it's real and convince everyone to believe it too. Surely nothing will go wrong!

      • I'm kind of joking, if you want legit economics check out Mike Hudson and other MMT authors or preferably become a communist. Mainstream economists live to justify rent seeking by the ruling class. They don't distinguish between production and rents and debts etc

          • I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS [none/use name]
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            5 months ago

            If you follow the flowchart and dive into most economics departments you will encounter what I'm talking about.

            What are you talking about Keynesian liberals or something? I do like to read Adam Tooze to see him close in on an interesting point only to veer wildly. Foreign Policy in general has some interesting writers if you want to mine the most advanced liberal cope.

            The model of economics I'm describing is the one which has been most heavily promoted by the west, neoliberalism, it has been used to dissolve the social welfare state which was set up to compete with the socialist bloc since defeating its chief rival and counterbalance in the USSR. It's an ideological persuasion that works along with coercion and subterfuge to eliminate capital controls and suppress the masses with starvation and crackdowns, especially in peripheral countries which are starting to establish socialistic policies or nationalize natural resources. Look at Chile for a perfect example of liberal economics in practice.

            I am aware of plenty of different non-Marxist models of economics and none of them are great because they treat various sectors of production wrong. China and Vietnam have their shit all figured out that's why finance capital and food aid can't decimate their agricultural production and then extort them into unfavorable IMF deals.

            • Brosplosion@lemm.ee
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              5 months ago

              I think you are conflating performance of economic models with the study of economic systems. Economics is literally just the study of a real phenomenon that occurs in the world. It's a valid study to try and understand why it operates the way it does.

          • Dude you are not going to get better results by looking at further cherry-picked statistics from first world countries. The standard of living in the first world is collapsing because of finance capital and economics as a science there exists to cope about it.

    • frezik@midwest.social
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      5 months ago

      Economics just means studying how we distribute limited goods. It breaks down when goods aren't limited (or rather, we have more of it than we can reasonably use), but we're not quite at that level of post-scarcity for most things. Though we might be close enough to cover the first level of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

      Economics as a practical discipline tends to assume capitalism. Economics can still be valid without assuming capitalism. There are tons of non-capitalist modes of distributing limited goods.