Im voting for Joseph ROBINETTE Biden because I have been assured he is the ONLY ONE who can SAVE US from TRUMP. I'm not going to be helping trump by voting for anyone else
My state hasn't approved De la Cruz for the ballot, I could write her in. I'm not sure how busy I'll be that day though so it's hard to predict what I'll have time for.
Also why do you think I'm stepping aside and letting the fascists hurt minorities? You said nothing to substantiate that. You just said I was doing that. Care to explain?
PSL also does not want you dead. I'm confused, I thought you wanted dialogue. I'm genuinely not sure what you mean. You can not believe me if you want but you haven't given any reason for what you're claiming.
Does the PSL have any chance of winning this year's election?
Heck I didn't know De la Cruz was running in that party.
EDIT: Apparently I was thinking of the De La Cruz people and Google have heard of (Elly, the baseball player), instead of Claudia De La Cruz, the socialist candidate I've never heard of in my life. I'm sure between now and November she'll figure out a way to clinch it.
They can win if you vote for them. I don't know how everybody is going to vote.
If we assume polling is an accurate indicator then depending on the state you live in voting at all is pointless because only one party will win.
Were you stepping aside and letting the fascists strip minority rights in 2020? Because they appear to be doing that currently, and presumably you voted for Joe who is president while that is happening.
we're just substantially more politically educated than shitlib queers like you.
I don't doubt that but your people skills are lacking if you change people's minds by calling them "shitlibs" and telling them you're substantially more educated than they are.
A lot of people on these boards with your ideology but the 4chan baby talk and meme spam makes it hard to take you seriously.
Sorry, but I'm not going to be polite to assholes who try to claim the moral high-ground by repeatedly telling my comrades they don't care about minorities because they refuse to support the genocide of other minorities.
Why would I operate under the assumption that you're acting in good faith when you essentially tell us
"oh, you're refusing to vote for a person who actively is making the world a worse place for minorities? You must hate minorities."
You are a shitlib. And you will remain one until you self-crit and dismantle your current way of thinking. When that day happens, we'll welcome you as a comrade. But for now, you are not someone I can take seriously.
Sorry, but I'm not going to be polite to assholes who try to claim the moral high-ground by repeatedly telling my comrades they don't care about minorities because they refuse to support the genocide of other minorities.
Our (realistic) options are unfortunately both going to lead to things continuing as they are in Gaza. But one of those options will be significantly worse for queer people in America.
You are a shitlib. And you will remain one until you self-crit and dismantle your current way of thinking.
Can you stop talking like you're terminally online for two seconds?
Do you know what is worse for queer people in the long run? Continuing to support the democrats. It stunts the ability for third parties to take hold in america. Parties that could actually represent minorities and fight for their rights. Because newsflash: the democrats don't give a single fuck if queers are rounded up and put in camps. They may pretend that's the case when republicans are in control (like they did with immigrants crossing the border) but when the time comes to actually push for legislation, or fight fascist policy, they can't seem to do a single fucking thing right.
Abortion rights continue to be stripped away under Democratic control. HRT continues to be banned in red states. POC continue to be disproportionately arrested due to the war on drugs, a series of policy decisions that Biden was one of the primary architects for, and simply legalizing cannabis (something biden refuses to do) would be a massive leap forward to fixing the problems he helped create. Many of the problems that you blame Republicans for, Democrats are equally responsible for causing.
It is in the Republicans best interest that Democrats remain the "opposition" party and in the democrats interest to maintain a strong Republican party. So they can scare fools like you into continuing to support them. Nancy Pelosi even talked about how "America needs a strong Republican party" and the dems continue to boost far right candidates because they wrongly believe they'd be easy targets to win elections against. All they're doing is giving fascist ideas a bigger platform. The main reason that Trump even won the 2016 election is because the "democratic" controlled media apparatus kept giving him attention!
Don't get me started on Kamala. Started her political career as a prosecutor throwing people in jail, namely parents over truancy. It takes a true Sociopath to want to throw parents in jail for their kids ditching school. You want me to vote for that bitch? Go fuck yourself.
Can you stop talking like you’re terminally online for two seconds?
Theyre talking like a communist in pre internet China and Russia when they talk about self crit. Sorry you've only been exposed to communist ideas on Twitter, maybe read any serious work-including the short works- on scientific socialism, dialectical materialism, or historical materialism
I don't doubt that but your people skills are lacking if you change people's minds by calling them "shitlibs" and telling them you're substantially more educated than they are.
Nobody is trying to change your mind. Why do liberals have such a hard time understanding when they're being made fun of? Nobody thinks your opinion is worth arguing against, changing one liberal's mind is useless even if you were willing to change your mind and you know that you're not. Nobody's dignifying you with real answers because you're a clown beneath contempt who's just parroting the same dogshit every blue media source pumps out, you're not saying anything we haven't all heard a dozen times a day. So you're joke to be made fun of and nothing more.
This is what it boils down to for you amoral liberals - you want the blue team to do the genocide and you'll only not vote for the blue team if they're going to let the red team do the genocide.
the past hundred plus years of electoral politics really beg for the concept to be taken seriously, imagine voting in the most important election of your lifetime every 2-4 years for your entire life only to watch things get progressively worse anyway even when the "good" guys win, because even their best and wildest pipe dream policies if enacted amounted to about jack and shit
can't wait for the hope and joy Harris/Walz administration to finally forgive student loan debt for a small subset of borrowers who open and run a business in a disadvantaged community for 3 years! can you imagine being one of the three dozen people that amazing legislation would help??
oh, wait, I'm sorry, the parliamentarian is probably going to tell them 'no you can't do that' again and we will just have to grin and bear it, for the sake of civility
So genuinely, do you think you've changed anyone's mind today? If not, why are you wasting this energy?
why are you wasting your energy legitimizing a bourgeois government that does almost quite literally nothing for you when you could also choose to 1) not waste your fucking time and 2) radicalize others against this absolutely horrendous system?
you dumb motherfuckers are going to go all in on HARRIS WALZ HOPE AND JOY and shit because you're incapable of learning from previous mistakes. It's wild how this shit just happens over and over and over and over again and you stupid motherfuckers just keep playing along. Like absolutely wild how brainless you all are.
I'm just going to sit back and watch China continue to eclipse the entirety of western civilization at an exponential rate every year, unless you rabid, bloodthirsty pieces of shit condone nuclear war against them first
If you want to vote for someone who supports genocide, you do you pal. Maybe someday you'll realize that democracy in America is a sham and voting doesn't matter. But that requires doing the bare minimum amount of your own research, which you seem to be vehemently opposed to.
I recommend reading Noam Chomsky's manufacturing consent. Once you understand how you're manipulated by the government and media, then you may be ready for some communist theory.
So genuinely, do you think you've changed anyone's mind today? If not, why are you wasting this energy?
oh no all my energy, all my vital essence, it's fled me because I've trolled some shit-lib who, despite literally decades of evidence to the contrary, is clinging to the hope of electoralism saving us despite witnessing its constant failures
can't wait to argue with you in 4 years over the next issuance of red/blue fascism, because you're too fucking stupid to notice there's very little difference. "oh no the republicans want you dead" yeah and the neoliberals in the Democratic party don't give a shit if you are or not either.
you'd think shit like Newsom going all in on clearing the homeless would clue you people in but jesus fucking christ you are ignorant as fuck, literally incapable of engaging with politics beyond what you saw on MSNBC today
Not a vote for Biden??? That's a vote for Trump sweaty
It's HER turn!
Jill Biden could still run!
Who are you voting for?
Im voting for Joseph ROBINETTE Biden because I have been assured he is the ONLY ONE who can SAVE US from TRUMP. I'm not going to be helping trump by voting for anyone else
If you aren't still in line to
for her, its a vote for Trump
Who are you voting for?
My state hasn't approved De la Cruz for the ballot, I could write her in. I'm not sure how busy I'll be that day though so it's hard to predict what I'll have time for.
As a fellow nonbinary person, I'm disappointed you're willing to step aside and let fascists strip away rights of LGBTQIA minorities.
I hope that De la Cruz vote works out for you.
you mean the ones which have been eroded significantly with Biden in the white house?? huh, wow, let me think about that for half a second.....
hope voting for Hindenburg works out for you, Weimar German Liberal!
Also why do you think I'm stepping aside and letting the fascists hurt minorities? You said nothing to substantiate that. You just said I was doing that. Care to explain?
I won't, because you know why I said it.
Go to a local queer munch and share these ideas with your fellow minorities, interested to hear your results.
Meanwhile I'm voting for the party that doesn't want me dead.
Good luck with that De la Cruz vote, I'm actually laughing super hard at that one, it's very clever.
PSL also does not want you dead. I'm confused, I thought you wanted dialogue. I'm genuinely not sure what you mean. You can not believe me if you want but you haven't given any reason for what you're claiming.
Alright then we can continue this new thread.
Does the PSL have any chance of winning this year's election?
Heck I didn't know De la Cruz was running in that party.
EDIT: Apparently I was thinking of the De La Cruz people and Google have heard of (Elly, the baseball player), instead of Claudia De La Cruz, the socialist candidate I've never heard of in my life. I'm sure between now and November she'll figure out a way to clinch it.
They can win if you vote for them. I don't know how everybody is going to vote.
If we assume polling is an accurate indicator then depending on the state you live in voting at all is pointless because only one party will win.
Were you stepping aside and letting the fascists strip minority rights in 2020? Because they appear to be doing that currently, and presumably you voted for Joe who is president while that is happening.
The majority of hexbears are queer... we're just substantially more politically educated than shitlib queers like you.
I don't doubt that but your people skills are lacking if you change people's minds by calling them "shitlibs" and telling them you're substantially more educated than they are.
A lot of people on these boards with your ideology but the 4chan baby talk and meme spam makes it hard to take you seriously.
Sorry, but I'm not going to be polite to assholes who try to claim the moral high-ground by repeatedly telling my comrades they don't care about minorities because they refuse to support the genocide of other minorities.
Why would I operate under the assumption that you're acting in good faith when you essentially tell us
"oh, you're refusing to vote for a person who actively is making the world a worse place for minorities? You must hate minorities."
You are a shitlib. And you will remain one until you self-crit and dismantle your current way of thinking. When that day happens, we'll welcome you as a comrade. But for now, you are not someone I can take seriously.
Our (realistic) options are unfortunately both going to lead to things continuing as they are in Gaza. But one of those options will be significantly worse for queer people in America.
Can you stop talking like you're terminally online for two seconds?
Do you know what is worse for queer people in the long run? Continuing to support the democrats. It stunts the ability for third parties to take hold in america. Parties that could actually represent minorities and fight for their rights. Because newsflash: the democrats don't give a single fuck if queers are rounded up and put in camps. They may pretend that's the case when republicans are in control (like they did with immigrants crossing the border) but when the time comes to actually push for legislation, or fight fascist policy, they can't seem to do a single fucking thing right.
Abortion rights continue to be stripped away under Democratic control. HRT continues to be banned in red states. POC continue to be disproportionately arrested due to the war on drugs, a series of policy decisions that Biden was one of the primary architects for, and simply legalizing cannabis (something biden refuses to do) would be a massive leap forward to fixing the problems he helped create. Many of the problems that you blame Republicans for, Democrats are equally responsible for causing.
It is in the Republicans best interest that Democrats remain the "opposition" party and in the democrats interest to maintain a strong Republican party. So they can scare fools like you into continuing to support them. Nancy Pelosi even talked about how "America needs a strong Republican party" and the dems continue to boost far right candidates because they wrongly believe they'd be easy targets to win elections against. All they're doing is giving fascist ideas a bigger platform. The main reason that Trump even won the 2016 election is because the "democratic" controlled media apparatus kept giving him attention!
Don't get me started on Kamala. Started her political career as a prosecutor throwing people in jail, namely parents over truancy. It takes a true Sociopath to want to throw parents in jail for their kids ditching school. You want me to vote for that bitch? Go fuck yourself.
I see.
Theyre talking like a communist in pre internet China and Russia when they talk about self crit. Sorry you've only been exposed to communist ideas on Twitter, maybe read any serious work-including the short works- on scientific socialism, dialectical materialism, or historical materialism
To be fair most prominent communists would have been god-tier posters.
Arguably were in cases such as (motions to Lenin's collected work)
Nobody is trying to change your mind. Why do liberals have such a hard time understanding when they're being made fun of? Nobody thinks your opinion is worth arguing against, changing one liberal's mind is useless even if you were willing to change your mind and you know that you're not. Nobody's dignifying you with real answers because you're a clown beneath contempt who's just parroting the same dogshit every blue media source pumps out, you're not saying anything we haven't all heard a dozen times a day. So you're joke to be made fun of and nothing more.
Feel better?
I feel the same way I do every time I talk to a liberal in America- sort of the same way I feel when I talk to a child. Disappointed, mostly.
What is your line, what would Kamala have to do or promise for you not to vote for her?
For me it's promise to keep committing a genocide.
For me , it's promise to step aside and let Trump commit the genocide instead.
So nothing? All people are obligated to vote for democrats no matter what they promise to do? You would only not vote for her if she stopped running?
This is what it boils down to for you amoral liberals - you want the blue team to do the genocide and you'll only not vote for the blue team if they're going to let the red team do the genocide.
Goofball take but alright.
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If you're trans and not a communist you need to spend more time engaging with your fellow queers who are poor and working class. And read more Marx.
This is why nobody takes Hexbear seriously.
the past hundred plus years of electoral politics really beg for the concept to be taken seriously, imagine voting in the most important election of your lifetime every 2-4 years for your entire life only to watch things get progressively worse anyway even when the "good" guys win, because even their best and wildest pipe dream policies if enacted amounted to about jack and shit
can't wait for the hope and joy Harris/Walz administration to finally forgive student loan debt for a small subset of borrowers who open and run a business in a disadvantaged community for 3 years! can you imagine being one of the three dozen people that amazing legislation would help??
oh, wait, I'm sorry, the parliamentarian is probably going to tell them 'no you can't do that' again and we will just have to grin and bear it, for the sake of civility
I take the concept seriously, but not you clowns.
If you cared about leftism as much as you cared about proper communication maybe people would listen to what you have to say.
But unfortunately you spam memes and reaction images instead of having a proper discussion and everybody tunes you out.
When a head and a book collide, is it always the book that's hollow?
The quote you're looking for is:
https://googlethatforyou.com?q=paraphrase
Thanks, I now understand that they were paraphrasing instead of incorrectly remembering the quote.
blublhulbuhlulbl muh civility
eat me, liberal
So genuinely, do you think you've changed anyone's mind today? If not, why are you wasting this energy?
why are you wasting your energy legitimizing a bourgeois government that does almost quite literally nothing for you when you could also choose to 1) not waste your fucking time and 2) radicalize others against this absolutely horrendous system?
you dumb motherfuckers are going to go all in on HARRIS WALZ HOPE AND JOY and shit because you're incapable of learning from previous mistakes. It's wild how this shit just happens over and over and over and over again and you stupid motherfuckers just keep playing along. Like absolutely wild how brainless you all are.
I'm just going to sit back and watch China continue to eclipse the entirety of western civilization at an exponential rate every year, unless you rabid, bloodthirsty pieces of shit condone nuclear war against them first
If you want to vote for someone who supports genocide, you do you pal. Maybe someday you'll realize that democracy in America is a sham and voting doesn't matter. But that requires doing the bare minimum amount of your own research, which you seem to be vehemently opposed to.
I recommend reading Noam Chomsky's manufacturing consent. Once you understand how you're manipulated by the government and media, then you may be ready for some communist theory.
*Michael Parenti's "Inventing Reality"
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Who are you voting for?
For someone who doesn't support genocide
oh no all my energy, all my vital essence, it's fled me because I've trolled some shit-lib who, despite literally decades of evidence to the contrary, is clinging to the hope of electoralism saving us despite witnessing its constant failures
can't wait to argue with you in 4 years over the next issuance of red/blue fascism, because you're too fucking stupid to notice there's very little difference. "oh no the republicans want you dead" yeah and the neoliberals in the Democratic party don't give a shit if you are or not either.
you'd think shit like Newsom going all in on clearing the homeless would clue you people in but jesus fucking christ you are ignorant as fuck, literally incapable of engaging with politics beyond what you saw on MSNBC today
We aren't being serious. We're making fun of you
Anyways who are you voting for?