• culpritus [any]
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    3 months ago

    Do not release the list : assume all Ukrainians in Canada are related to SS Nazis

    Release the list : know for sure the vast majority of Ukrainians in Canada are related to SS Nazis

    tough choice kkkanada

    • TechnoUnionTypeBeat [he/him, they/them]
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      3 months ago

      Alberta Advantage did a pod on this recently, Ukranian-Canadians actually were mostly a driving force for leftism in the western provinces - which is expressly why Canada accepted so many Nazis post war, to infiltrate and dismantle these leftist groups

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        3 months ago

        Word. It should be remembered that the ukronazis were a miniscule number of people, with the oun-b peaking at ~20k members (B stands for Bandera). Bandera had about 20k followers at a time when there were 3-4 million Ukrainian soldiers in the Red Army fertilizing the fields with dead Nazis. During the last phases of the war the Soviets put down the Ukronazi insurgents hard. The survivors fled west where Nato sent them all to the us and Canada so they'd have a force of fash they could use to try to destabilize Ukraine. Afaik Ukronazis never had any power until 91. As in other parts of the ussr they took advantage of the chaos to push their revisitionist history and gain influence with terrified, impoverished, confused people. They had a lot of western backing and ended up with a lot of backing from gangster capitalists who either endorsed their politics or used them as muscle.

        There's also a strong regional divide in Ukraine. Galacia has been the heart of Ukrainian nationalism since initial nation building efforts in the late 19th century. The coup that seized control of the rada in '14 was a Galacian coup and a significant faction was Galacian ukronazis who immediately set out to remove russian speaking ukrainians from legitimacy as members of the ukrainian nation.

        It's not ukrainians, generally. It's a core of western backed and supported nationalists that are primarily Galacians.

        • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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          3 months ago

          It's not ukrainians, generally. It's a core of western backed and supported nationalists that are primarily Galacians.

          It was more like an an alliance between Kiev nationalists and Galician nationalist, with the latter being increasingly sidelined after 2014 in favor of the new wave of Nazis.

      • culpritus [any]
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        3 months ago

        Yep. There was significant anti-labor violence including the burning bombing of a labor hall in 1950, which is very similar to the burning of the labor hall during 2014 Ukraine coup.

        https://www.blogto.com/city/2023/10/300-bathurst-bombing-shook-torontos-ukrainian-community/

        https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/