"Your honor, I object!"
"On what grounds?"
"Because it is devastating to my case."It's actually one of the broad exemptions for public releases of data in Canada. If it is embarassing or economically damaging to the government or any institution. Ontario's provincial transit agency refused to release records on some of their struggling projects and their reason was basically that it may cause their contractors to lose money lol.
It really makes public releases borderline useless because if it has the potential to give any oversight iver government or a private entity the government contracts out to, the agency can just stop the release
honestly the existence of that exemption should be more embarassing than any disclosure, but I get the distinction between "embarrassing the power structure" and "embarrassing to constituents".
obviously, embarrassing power is the REAL crime lmao.
Do not release the list : assume all Ukrainians in Canada are related to SS Nazis
Release the list : know for sure the vast majority of Ukrainians in Canada are related to SS Nazis
tough choice
Alberta Advantage did a pod on this recently, Ukranian-Canadians actually were mostly a driving force for leftism in the western provinces - which is expressly why Canada accepted so many Nazis post war, to infiltrate and dismantle these leftist groups
Word. It should be remembered that the ukronazis were a miniscule number of people, with the oun-b peaking at ~20k members (B stands for Bandera). Bandera had about 20k followers at a time when there were 3-4 million Ukrainian soldiers in the Red Army fertilizing the fields with dead Nazis. During the last phases of the war the Soviets put down the Ukronazi insurgents hard. The survivors fled west where Nato sent them all to the us and Canada so they'd have a force of fash they could use to try to destabilize Ukraine. Afaik Ukronazis never had any power until 91. As in other parts of the ussr they took advantage of the chaos to push their revisitionist history and gain influence with terrified, impoverished, confused people. They had a lot of western backing and ended up with a lot of backing from gangster capitalists who either endorsed their politics or used them as muscle.
There's also a strong regional divide in Ukraine. Galacia has been the heart of Ukrainian nationalism since initial nation building efforts in the late 19th century. The coup that seized control of the rada in '14 was a Galacian coup and a significant faction was Galacian ukronazis who immediately set out to remove russian speaking ukrainians from legitimacy as members of the ukrainian nation.
It's not ukrainians, generally. It's a core of western backed and supported nationalists that are primarily Galacians.
It's not ukrainians, generally. It's a core of western backed and supported nationalists that are primarily Galacians.
It was more like an an alliance between Kiev nationalists and Galician nationalist, with the latter being increasingly sidelined after 2014 in favor of the new wave of Nazis.
Yep. There was significant anti-labor violence including the
burningbombing of a labor hall in 1950, which is very similar to the burning of the labor hall during 2014 Ukraine coup.https://www.blogto.com/city/2023/10/300-bathurst-bombing-shook-torontos-ukrainian-community/
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/
I guess it wasn't embarrassing for the fuckers in house of commons when they all cheered for the SS fuckwad.
Even if I give them the benefit of the doubt (which mps absolutely do not deserve) how do you hear "he fought in WW2 against the Soviet Union" and not think "hmm who was fighting against the USSR?"
Seriously, I don't believe for a second that they didn't know what they were doing
Oh yeah I honestly think they were testing to see how much nazism they can get away with.
The best possible defense they could have is being extremely stupid
I mean they already admitted that they accepted 900 war criminals, which is 900 too many. How are the names going to make it even more embarrassing than that?
I imagine people in the government, like Freeland, may be direct descendants of these nazis.
Some of the individuals and organizations consulted by LAC argued against releasing any of the information, warning it could be embarrassing or lead to prosecutions of the alleged war criminals.
These "worries" should be damning enough as is, but unfortunately most people aren't going to pay attention without some trial. Even then...
“A few stakeholders were concerned that the release of the report would result in new legal action (criminal prosecution, citizen revocation, or otherwise) being brought against the individuals named in the report,” a summary of the library’s discussions noted.
Just outright saying "we can't release this list because people on it would be prosecuted for their crimes, which is obviously a bad thing".
Other stakeholders who advised LAC worried the list would embarrass Canada’s Ukrainian community or be used by Russians for propaganda purposes, the records show.
"Reality is Russian propaganda"
Lol this is taking the principle that governmental data releases should not cause harm to private citizens to a ridiculous conclusion. I kind of have a feeling some middle managers got told to write down a rationale, they had a stream of consciousness meeting and no one botheted editing after.
Other stakeholders who advised LAC worried the list would embarrass Canada’s Ukrainian community
our domestic Nazi Statue Erection Society really does not need any assistance embarrassing itself
Pretty sure the Canadian courts have said, several times, that prosecution of war crimes would never be allowed, and they've said it consistently in every case on the matter which I think is literaly soemthing absurd like two cases in the mid 90s before people finally gave up.
Chrystia Freeland working behind the scenes to protect her friends and family.
Who would be embarassed, exactly? The vice pm, as mentioned, is an actual ukronazi. No one gives a shit anymore. Embrace your Nazi heritage you fascist fucks.
We should hound them for Nazi shit, it is harder for them, when they have to cover it instead of openly embracing it.
They're not going to face consequences anyways. Country is littered with Nazi monuments, whole parliament clapped like seals for an obvious Nazi and the Deputy PM whose Nazi grandfather ran a big Nazi propaganda rag to promote the Holocaust has publicly praised her grandfather, knowing full well what he did, and has publicly held Nazi banners.
The government there is fully Nazi aligned to an almost unbelievable degree.
Actually saw an annoying take about operation paperclip that the Soviets also took in German scientists. And I was like okay but they didn't build an intelligence aparatus around Nazis? Also, on the science side, there's clearly a distinction between Wernher Von Braun, who should've been hanged, and other scientists who weren't actively using Jewish slave labour to construct missiles.
I'm pretty sure the Soviets took Nazi scientists and made them live in closed cities that were de-facto prisons, working under close supervision by Soviet intelligence. Apparently most of them were re-patriated to the GDR by '53, having been held at military labs in the USSR with order to re-produce as much of their labs and research as possible up til then. And the GDR famously did not restore Nazis to their official positions in the military, intelligence, industry, and academia after the war.
Here's Tom Lehrer's Wernher Von Braun
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio
Another important difference: The Soviets took in German scientists as reparations. It was not a fun or comfortable trip and once they had taught Soviet scientists what they knew they were sent back home.
They didn't have big careers or had conference centres named after them in the USSR, in contrast to how the yanks did.
With the normalization of Ukrainian Nazism by the West, I don't think it will last too long in the headlines...
Please, can we have a kkkanadian century of humiliation? As a little treat?
