as far as I am aware at least in Marx's literature he only talks about 4 classes and the only one that comes close to describing the position police have is proletariat. It seems reasonable to call them class traitors as well because they are certainly not working in the interest of their class.
I don't know what the context of the removed comment is but it also seems reasonable to ask people to look at things objectively. If your argument is that the police aren't proletariat because it feels icky that's not a very good argument.
thank you for reading marx so losers like me don't have to, but yeah, like that's p. much what I think, idk what else occurred in the argument from OP tho
also imo like, otherwise what is the point of the term "class traitor"?? like, cops are the ultimate class traitors. The children of working poor who sell themselves to the service of the bourgeois state which keeps not just themselves, but their friends, their families, almost everyone they've ever met in servitude, only to perpetuate that gross exploitation themselves, daily?
cop is like the definition of class traitor, in p. much all cases (I assume idk I don't know the statistics on how poor people are going into the police but I assume like the military it's used as a way out of poverty and, yknow, people are willing to do that, at least to a point)
i think people like to think of class traitors as people like Engels who are bourgeois or petit bourgeois but work in the furtherance of the revolution in spite of their class interests. In other words it's a positive trait. But it works both ways and the traitors to the working class are way, way more numerous.
as far as I am aware at least in Marx's literature he only talks about 4 classes and the only one that comes close to describing the position police have is proletariat. It seems reasonable to call them class traitors as well because they are certainly not working in the interest of their class.
I don't know what the context of the removed comment is but it also seems reasonable to ask people to look at things objectively. If your argument is that the police aren't proletariat because it feels icky that's not a very good argument.
thank you for reading marx so losers like me don't have to, but yeah, like that's p. much what I think, idk what else occurred in the argument from OP tho
also imo like, otherwise what is the point of the term "class traitor"?? like, cops are the ultimate class traitors. The children of working poor who sell themselves to the service of the bourgeois state which keeps not just themselves, but their friends, their families, almost everyone they've ever met in servitude, only to perpetuate that gross exploitation themselves, daily?
cop is like the definition of class traitor, in p. much all cases (I assume idk I don't know the statistics on how poor people are going into the police but I assume like the military it's used as a way out of poverty and, yknow, people are willing to do that, at least to a point)
i think people like to think of class traitors as people like Engels who are bourgeois or petit bourgeois but work in the furtherance of the revolution in spite of their class interests. In other words it's a positive trait. But it works both ways and the traitors to the working class are way, way more numerous.