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Week 40, Sept 30-Oct 6 – Chapter 24 and Chapter 25 of Volume III

Chapter 24 is called 'Externalisation of the Relations of Capital in the Form of Interest-Bearing Capital'

Chapter 25 is called 'Credit and Fictitious Capital'


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/index.htm


Discuss the week's reading in the comments.

  • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    The rest of your points seem fine, though

    The financier is paying 100 for 105, the industrialist is paying 105 for 120.

    ^Correction: 140 is the value of the commodties, 120 is merely the cost of constant and variable capital bought to make commodities

    But just to reiterate my point, how does the industrial capitalist preserve his capital value of 120, while adding a surplus value of 20 onto it, despite the financial capitalist's taking of principal and sum?

    Because it seems to me, that after the process of selling the commodities, the industrial capitalist has to deal with the following costs:

    100 + 5 = principal + interest, taken by the money capitalist (note: the interest is derived from the surplus value created, due to 5% interest)

    20 = variable capital paid

    140 - 125 = 15

    Leaving 15 to be the industrial capitalist's profit, of the original surplus value of 20.

    However, a transformation from 120 capital --> 15 increase seems to me a decrease... to counter this, this would indicate some preservation of the initial capital used in production, to continue capitalist expansion.

    TO make it so that 120 capital -> + 20 surplus value -> 140 capital

    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      I realized partway through editing my answer what I missed, I think I got it now though.

      He owes the capital back. He doesn't keep it, he is buying its use temporarily. He started without it and pays it back at the end, everything has depreciated in the normal process in the interim.