At 1:27 he unironically says that in a vote between Mussolini and Hitler, the best thing to do is vote Mussolini because he's the lesser evil. A lot of mentions about how "the math is simple". Does the canned "you're immature for refusing to vote for a candidate that doesn't align with 100% of your views", but throws in a shitty little analogy about refusing to buy a car at a dealership just because it didn't have leather seats to strawman enemies of genocide.

Even smugger energy than maybe-later-kiddo

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    2 days ago

    The thing is, we aren't going to get through to libs by appealing to normal human empathy or morals. I know they like to pretend to care, but they don't actually. Similar to the far-right, the most important thing to them is winning and they will be as ignorant and pedantic as they can be until they're threatened, and then they'll use the same tools any fash would to get rid of anything that would threaten the status quo.

    Instead of playing their game by wasting energy debating in circles, we should be organising and amassing power in any way we can. Do not ever negotiate with genociders and always expect them to try and undermine your efforts at every step.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 days ago

      the most important thing to them is winning

      I doubt even this, it more seems like the really important thing is to be correct, be on the right side and feel good, no matter the cost. It's practically solipsism.

      • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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        2 days ago

        I don't mean winning elections, I mean the ruling class winning their right to continue imperialism and the exploitation of the working class and global south. They get that through either conservative or neoliberal political bodies.

        Hell, the only reason they pretend to hate Trump so much is

        1. To maintain the illusion of democracy.
        2. Because he causes civil unrest on both sides. More protests, stuff like Jan 6. Etc.
          • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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            2 days ago

            Do liberals (and by that I mean the ones with political power such as donors, corporate and politicians) really lose anything? They have the same financial power either way. Their ability to do unhindered capitalism and manipulate policy doesn't change. It's purely aesthetics for the most part as far as they're concerned.

            • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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              2 days ago

              So now we are talking about not just ordinary libs but capitalists? They too will feel it as the capitalism decay. Capitalists aren't the perfectly aware and pragmatic actors they like to think they are, they are closer to solipisists too.