• Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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        23 hours ago

        Goosebumps choose your own adventure novels.

        But to take you a tiny bit more seriously, ok? So what? Why does "I have some agency in this story" make a story bad? What actually are you getting at here?

        • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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          22 hours ago

          Goosebumps choose your own adventure novels.

          Primitive, but closer to the mark.

          So what? Why does "I have some agency in this story" make a story bad?

          I don't think it does. The box is just a mechanism. In the same way that a book or a painting can be good or bad, a gameplay loop can, too.

          What actually are you getting at here?

          You can have a Beautiful Skinner Box in the same way you can have a Van Gogh or a Tolstoy novel.

          • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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            22 hours ago

            So you're using some weird definition of "skinner box" where you simply mean "human inputs lead to various outputs". Why use this definition? By this definition a fucking mathematical function is a skinner box.

            I simply do not understand, in general, what you're trying to say.