• Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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    23 hours ago

    Goosebumps choose your own adventure novels.

    But to take you a tiny bit more seriously, ok? So what? Why does "I have some agency in this story" make a story bad? What actually are you getting at here?

    • BashfulBob [none/use name]
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      22 hours ago

      Goosebumps choose your own adventure novels.

      Primitive, but closer to the mark.

      So what? Why does "I have some agency in this story" make a story bad?

      I don't think it does. The box is just a mechanism. In the same way that a book or a painting can be good or bad, a gameplay loop can, too.

      What actually are you getting at here?

      You can have a Beautiful Skinner Box in the same way you can have a Van Gogh or a Tolstoy novel.

      • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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        22 hours ago

        So you're using some weird definition of "skinner box" where you simply mean "human inputs lead to various outputs". Why use this definition? By this definition a fucking mathematical function is a skinner box.

        I simply do not understand, in general, what you're trying to say.