This comment from Lemmygrad explains why Proton may be a honeypot and to be wary of VPN services in general.
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/361523
Here is a list of potential issues with ProtonMail (including their onion site deanonymizing Tor users when they create an account by redirecting them back to their .com address):
Proton's support for anything other than M$ Windows or MacOS is really bad. It's another case of a company open source virtue signaling. They're better than Google and Microsoft but that isn't saying much.
Yes you should be vary of VPNs but obviously also your ISP. I know mine is selling my data, I just don't have any options. If I would do something highly ileagal I would obviously not really on just a VPN and trust them. That would be one stepping stone of several.
HK have read yet
Isreal yea thats bad but still far from PIA etc.
Looks mullvad is the better option. Scary there is so few recomendations in general.
Yes you should be vary of VPNs but obviously also your ISP. I know mine is selling my data, I just don't have any options. If I would do something highly ileagal I would obviously not really on just a VPN and trust them. That would be one stepping stone of several.
It is a stepping stone, but can be hit or miss depending on your ISP and VPN. I made some alternative suggestions to improve your privacy and security here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5674063
Thing is thats mullvad, nothing else. And thats only becouse we don't know what we dont know.
A better approach should be not to trust any singular entity. If you are going to occupy buildings and have Interpol chasing you you should use TOR, VPN and proxy in combination.
Neither of those tools are foolproof , espacially if its not your own hardware somewhere.
And no one will go to prison for you. Obviously any court order to any VPN will be complied with, including mullvad.
Thing is thats mullvad, nothing else. And thats only becouse we don't know what we dont know.
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying we can only trust Mullvad VPN because IVPN and AirVPN have been caught with untrustworthy actions? As far as I know, they haven't, and they're all pretty much equivalent in tech, security, and privacy. Mullvad is just more popular.
A better approach should be not to trust any singular entity.
Easier said then done. At some point you have to be willing to sacrifice with some trust. Even the best security professionals struggle to stay private in today's world of surveillance, so if that trust is yourself, you have to stay on top of security 24/7.
If you are going to occupy buildings and have Interpol chasing you you should use TOR, VPN and proxy in combination.
Using a VPN with TOR is not recommended as a VPN can log your activity every time you connect to TOR. Using a VPN on top of TOR usually doesn't provide you anymore safety unless you are on some public wifi hotspot.
And no one will go to prison for you. Obviously any court order to any VPN will be complied with, including mullvad.
Thus, my point is using a VPN, especially one we know is untrustworthy, like Proton, is generally not a solution for privacy and security. Being private and secure requires training and practice, and there's much more effective means of securing your data and anonymity.
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying we can only trust Mullvad VPN because IVPN and AirVPN have been caught with untrustworthy actions? As far as I know, they haven't, and they're all pretty much equivalent in tech, security, and privacy. Mullvad is just more popular
As an example it is few thats considered trustworthy and we just dont know if they really are trustworthy.
Easier said then done. At some point you have to be willing to sacrifice with some trust. Even the best security professionals struggle to stay private in today's world of surveillance, so if that trust is yourself, you have to stay on top of security 24/7.
Security and privacy are layers. I would for sure stay on top ( or pay someone to do it for me) if I expecting international warrants.
Using a VPN with TOR is not recommended as a VPN can log your activity every time you connect to TOR. Using a VPN on top of TOR usually doesn't provide you anymore safety unless you are on some public wifi hotspot.
Depends how you set It up but doing VPN for proxy jump will at most let your VPN know you are using TOR. It is recommended , just not by some. VPN is a part of a good setup, a lot more trustworthy than my ISP for example.
Thus, my point is using a VPN, especially one we know is untrustworthy, like Proton, is generally not a solution for privacy and security. Being private and secure requires training and practice, and there's much more effective means of securing your data and anonymity.
See previous points. If you consider all untrusted you limit what those entitys know about you. Proton can know more or less depending how you set it up and use it. Dismissing VPNs because TOR is better is like dismissing blowjobs because fucking is better. We can have both
I can agree with what you said here. I'm not dismissing VPNs altogether, though. The reason I am so critical is because VPNs are marketed as a magic bullet that makes you 100% private and secure, and the average person does not know better. Many people just believe they need to be on a VPN 24/7 to be private, which can be worse than not being on a VPN at all. I gave a lot of links that weren't necessarily critical of VPNs and explained how to use them correctly. I made emphasis on the need for people to research and practice effective opsec. I don't know what OP needs a VPN for, so I made sure to clarify what to use a VPN for and to dispel any myths that are commonly believed with them.
Proton also accept crypto which can be anon
Mullvad, IVPN, and AirVPN all support crypto. They all do not require email accounts, too.
I do not recommend Proton for many reasons.
They support Israel.
https://proton.me/support/protonmail-israel-radware
https://protonvpn.com/blog/israel-vpn-servers/
They supported the 2020 Hong Kong protests.
https://protonvpn.com/blog/hong-kong-servers
This comment from Lemmygrad explains why Proton may be a honeypot and to be wary of VPN services in general.
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/361523
Here is a list of potential issues with ProtonMail (including their onion site deanonymizing Tor users when they create an account by redirecting them back to their .com address):
https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/
Some practical reasons I don't recommend Proton
Proton's support for anything other than M$ Windows or MacOS is really bad. It's another case of a company open source virtue signaling. They're better than Google and Microsoft but that isn't saying much.
Never said they didnt.
Yes you should be vary of VPNs but obviously also your ISP. I know mine is selling my data, I just don't have any options. If I would do something highly ileagal I would obviously not really on just a VPN and trust them. That would be one stepping stone of several.
HK have read yet Isreal yea thats bad but still far from PIA etc. Looks mullvad is the better option. Scary there is so few recomendations in general.
It is a stepping stone, but can be hit or miss depending on your ISP and VPN. I made some alternative suggestions to improve your privacy and security here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5674063
But given that Proton gave the French police a climate activist's IP information which led to his arrest, despite claiming to store no IP logs and then deleting the claim on their website, it's better to recommend our fellow comrades other VPN services that have a better track record at this time. Proton has proven time and time again to be untrustworthy, and it's a very reactionary company that fights against socialist nations and supports countries like Israel, Taiwan, etc., which you can see by looking at its blog.
Thing is thats mullvad, nothing else. And thats only becouse we don't know what we dont know.
A better approach should be not to trust any singular entity. If you are going to occupy buildings and have Interpol chasing you you should use TOR, VPN and proxy in combination.
Neither of those tools are foolproof , espacially if its not your own hardware somewhere.
And no one will go to prison for you. Obviously any court order to any VPN will be complied with, including mullvad.
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying we can only trust Mullvad VPN because IVPN and AirVPN have been caught with untrustworthy actions? As far as I know, they haven't, and they're all pretty much equivalent in tech, security, and privacy. Mullvad is just more popular.
Easier said then done. At some point you have to be willing to sacrifice with some trust. Even the best security professionals struggle to stay private in today's world of surveillance, so if that trust is yourself, you have to stay on top of security 24/7.
Using a VPN with TOR is not recommended as a VPN can log your activity every time you connect to TOR. Using a VPN on top of TOR usually doesn't provide you anymore safety unless you are on some public wifi hotspot.
https://support.torproject.org/faq/faq-5/
https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/doc/TorPlusVPN
https://tails.net/support/faq/index.en.html#vpn
Thus, my point is using a VPN, especially one we know is untrustworthy, like Proton, is generally not a solution for privacy and security. Being private and secure requires training and practice, and there's much more effective means of securing your data and anonymity.
Not sure what you mean. Are you saying we can only trust Mullvad VPN because IVPN and AirVPN have been caught with untrustworthy actions? As far as I know, they haven't, and they're all pretty much equivalent in tech, security, and privacy. Mullvad is just more popular
As an example it is few thats considered trustworthy and we just dont know if they really are trustworthy.
Easier said then done. At some point you have to be willing to sacrifice with some trust. Even the best security professionals struggle to stay private in today's world of surveillance, so if that trust is yourself, you have to stay on top of security 24/7.
Security and privacy are layers. I would for sure stay on top ( or pay someone to do it for me) if I expecting international warrants.
Using a VPN with TOR is not recommended as a VPN can log your activity every time you connect to TOR. Using a VPN on top of TOR usually doesn't provide you anymore safety unless you are on some public wifi hotspot.
Depends how you set It up but doing VPN for proxy jump will at most let your VPN know you are using TOR. It is recommended , just not by some. VPN is a part of a good setup, a lot more trustworthy than my ISP for example.
Thus, my point is using a VPN, especially one we know is untrustworthy, like Proton, is generally not a solution for privacy and security. Being private and secure requires training and practice, and there's much more effective means of securing your data and anonymity.
See previous points. If you consider all untrusted you limit what those entitys know about you. Proton can know more or less depending how you set it up and use it. Dismissing VPNs because TOR is better is like dismissing blowjobs because fucking is better. We can have both
I can agree with what you said here. I'm not dismissing VPNs altogether, though. The reason I am so critical is because VPNs are marketed as a magic bullet that makes you 100% private and secure, and the average person does not know better. Many people just believe they need to be on a VPN 24/7 to be private, which can be worse than not being on a VPN at all. I gave a lot of links that weren't necessarily critical of VPNs and explained how to use them correctly. I made emphasis on the need for people to research and practice effective opsec. I don't know what OP needs a VPN for, so I made sure to clarify what to use a VPN for and to dispel any myths that are commonly believed with them.