This is exactly what I'm talking about. This is potentially the biggest technological innovation in a long time and it's going to completely sideswipe all of you because of this toxic attitude. Separate the players from the actual game.
It's not sideswiping me, at best it's useless to me, at worst it's a threat to me as a worker. You can't separate the "players from the game" or the technology from the social system which produced it. They are already trying to automate away peoples' jobs regardless of if it works or not and, like you mentioned in a dismissive manner for some reason, it is indeed extremely environmentally destructive to train and use these models on a mass scale even in places where already existing technology works
Here's some more bold text: we should combat their use and deployment as much as possible. If China gets something good out of them without "boiling the oceans", fine, good, idc lol. In the west this is a serious problem. And besides, China has similar Silicon Valley neoliberal techbro brainworms, I just hope the CPC keeps those people in check during all this lol (I expect this bubble to collapse in a big way in the medium-term future)
Thankfully planners in China don't succumb to this western learned helpless routine or they'd miss out on all the potential gains of the last few decades by sleeping on the extremely obvious potential for factory automation.
Like how can you see this kind of thing and just be like treat printer bazinga boil the oceans waifu etc. Is it perfect yet? No, did it just come out in the past couple years and already obviate decades of expert systems research? Yes, it absolutely did.
Idek what to say, you're just vaguely gesturing to a fuckin product demo lmao
Nothing in that video was outside the capabilities of already existing AI technology, a lot of it isn't even capable of being done by LLMs, like did you see that graphic in the bottom right? It looks like some kind of representation of the surrounding environment. LLMs just don't do that kind of thing lol, they probably have an actual knowledge base system somewhere inside that thing. Idk, you don't know either, cuz it's a product demo lol
If they somehow bolted on an LLM to the frontend so people can use more natural language for commands, that's cool, why not, but it doesn't rly change anything lol. I don't get how you see an LLM as even related to this, like what do you think an LLM is? It's just a language model, trying to coax it into doing action planning and somehow getting it to represent the world (idk what that means in the context of an LLM) sounds agonizing lol. They implied that is what's happening but I couldn't find any more details on their website. Idk maybe they have some research published somewhere...... or its just pure vibes and buzzwords to attract the investor money like so many of these things are
What do you think LLMs add to this? They're not like magic good software that makes things good and work better when you have more of it and work bad when you have less. There's so much going on in that video, none of which an LLM can rly help with besides maybe processing the initial command into a form that can be parsed more easily by and carried out by traditional AI techniques. It def didn't obviate any of it lol
we should combat their use and deployment as much as possible
Yeah, great I look forward to the western left leading the butlerian jihad. There's a reason why Luddites are synonymous with getting jack shit done, and I would expect so called materialists to make the cold calculation necessary to understand this.
It's obviously not just language models at work here, it's transformer based architectures in general. Why do you think we can generate video, text, and transcribe audio, and a host of other things like protein discovery all dramatically better than a couple years ago? And this all happened around the same time? Major tech companies are currently folding up their prior machine learning efforts because they've been BTFO by this leap in tech. This is something that is absolutely happening in the ML space across the software industry.
The fact that you think I'm even talking about LLMs exclusively is such a myopic view of what's really going on. There has been an explosion of robotics breakthroughs in the past year alone because of this kind of thing, it's not just that video, look at what Unitree is doing or any of the other Chinese robotics companies that are dominating this space now.
You guys are the redditors you hate when you come at this with the same energy as a liberal about genocide in Xinjiang or something, like you've already made up your mind. Just believe what you want to believe about it. I'm done trying to educate you. Only time will tell and it's not like I get anything out of it when the goalposts move yet again.
It's obviously not just language models at work here, it's transformer based architectures in general. Why do you think we can generate video, text, and transcribe audio, and a host of other things like protein discovery all dramatically better than a couple years ago? And this all happened around the same time? Major tech companies are currently folding up their prior machine learning efforts because they've been BTFO by this leap in tech. This is something that is absolutely happening in the ML space across the software industry.
The fact that you think I'm even talking about LLMs exclusively is such a myopic view of what's really going on.
We're talking about the same shit lol, a natural language is just another process for these things to model. I never said it wasn't an advancement over previous methods, it's obviously better than a Markov chain or previous architectures of neural networks. Idek what we're arguing about anymore. What is your ultimate point here?
I am also tired of arguing (I'm not arrogant enough to call it educating lol). But I will look into those companies you mentioned
Sorry to be a dickhead. This is just what strong difference of opinion looks. Everyone jumps up my ass about daring to say that "AI" is not just a grift but an actual threat (and opportunity). Like yes, silicon valley are grifters, but that doesn't preclude them from cooking up useful engineering once in a while.
My whole point is that we need to abandon our immature/dirtbag analysis of this issue and get more professionalized about things or we're gonna get really rinsed in the 21st century.
It's not sideswiping me, at best it's useless to me, at worst it's a threat to me as a worker. You can't separate the "players from the game" or the technology from the social system which produced it. They are already trying to automate away peoples' jobs regardless of if it works or not and, like you mentioned in a dismissive manner for some reason, it is indeed extremely environmentally destructive to train and use these models on a mass scale even in places where already existing technology works
Here's some more bold text: we should combat their use and deployment as much as possible. If China gets something good out of them without "boiling the oceans", fine, good, idc lol. In the west this is a serious problem. And besides, China has similar Silicon Valley neoliberal techbro brainworms, I just hope the CPC keeps those people in check during all this lol (I expect this bubble to collapse in a big way in the medium-term future)
Idek what to say, you're just vaguely gesturing to a fuckin product demo lmao
Nothing in that video was outside the capabilities of already existing AI technology, a lot of it isn't even capable of being done by LLMs, like did you see that graphic in the bottom right? It looks like some kind of representation of the surrounding environment. LLMs just don't do that kind of thing lol, they probably have an actual knowledge base system somewhere inside that thing. Idk, you don't know either, cuz it's a product demo lol
If they somehow bolted on an LLM to the frontend so people can use more natural language for commands, that's cool, why not, but it doesn't rly change anything lol. I don't get how you see an LLM as even related to this, like what do you think an LLM is? It's just a language model, trying to coax it into doing action planning and somehow getting it to represent the world (idk what that means in the context of an LLM) sounds agonizing lol. They implied that is what's happening but I couldn't find any more details on their website. Idk maybe they have some research published somewhere...... or its just pure vibes and buzzwords to attract the investor money like so many of these things are
What do you think LLMs add to this? They're not like magic good software that makes things good and work better when you have more of it and work bad when you have less. There's so much going on in that video, none of which an LLM can rly help with besides maybe processing the initial command into a form that can be parsed more easily by and carried out by traditional AI techniques. It def didn't obviate any of it lol
Yeah, great I look forward to the western left leading the butlerian jihad. There's a reason why Luddites are synonymous with getting jack shit done, and I would expect so called materialists to make the cold calculation necessary to understand this.
It's obviously not just language models at work here, it's transformer based architectures in general. Why do you think we can generate video, text, and transcribe audio, and a host of other things like protein discovery all dramatically better than a couple years ago? And this all happened around the same time? Major tech companies are currently folding up their prior machine learning efforts because they've been BTFO by this leap in tech. This is something that is absolutely happening in the ML space across the software industry.
The fact that you think I'm even talking about LLMs exclusively is such a myopic view of what's really going on. There has been an explosion of robotics breakthroughs in the past year alone because of this kind of thing, it's not just that video, look at what Unitree is doing or any of the other Chinese robotics companies that are dominating this space now.
You guys are the redditors you hate when you come at this with the same energy as a liberal about genocide in Xinjiang or something, like you've already made up your mind. Just believe what you want to believe about it. I'm done trying to educate you. Only time will tell and it's not like I get anything out of it when the goalposts move yet again.
Truly a condescending energy I rarely see on here
We're talking about the same shit lol, a natural language is just another process for these things to model. I never said it wasn't an advancement over previous methods, it's obviously better than a Markov chain or previous architectures of neural networks. Idek what we're arguing about anymore. What is your ultimate point here?
I am also tired of arguing (I'm not arrogant enough to call it educating lol). But I will look into those companies you mentioned
Sorry to be a dickhead. This is just what strong difference of opinion looks. Everyone jumps up my ass about daring to say that "AI" is not just a grift but an actual threat (and opportunity). Like yes, silicon valley are grifters, but that doesn't preclude them from cooking up useful engineering once in a while.
My whole point is that we need to abandon our immature/dirtbag analysis of this issue and get more professionalized about things or we're gonna get really rinsed in the 21st century.
Eh it's okay, no hard feelings, I probably also got too heated :3
Would be down to talk more about it with you later cuz it is a rly important issue, not to mention technically fascinating
Rn I am out of spoons for internet talking, will be back later though