Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

  • hello_hello [comrade/them]
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    3 hours ago

    I'm saying that placing this man in the same category of critical support as other figures is a bad look and is uncomfortable for me and others as well. I don't like having a struggle session over whether a well-off ivy league white chud with seemingly incomprehensible politics with a blood feud should be given a pedestal or not.

    I don't disagree with anyone seeing his actions as heroic or trying to decipher his motivations, but things like the fundraising post are over the line and deserve to be moderated.

    • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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      3 hours ago

      Should Putin receive critical support? Hamas? Hezbollah? Ansarallah? The IRGC?

      The answer to all of these is pretty clearly a resounding yes, right?

      • hello_hello [comrade/them]
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        2 hours ago

        I should've been clearer, yes, not just limited to outwardly communist groups/individuals, and my use of comrade wasn't appropriate there. But my sentiment is still that critical support shouldn't be used in this situation.

      • Mousy [they/them, love/loves]
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        3 hours ago

        I don't think these groups are comparable at all to luigi. They're doing active prolonged resistance to imperialism. One of them is fighting for their very own existence.

          • Mousy [they/them, love/loves]
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            2 hours ago

            I didn't say that? Even so saying the guy is just like a palestinian fighting against the zionist entity actually is an incredibly unserious thing to say.

            • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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              2 hours ago

              It doesn't matter that you didn't personally say it, hello_hello did, and when I attempted to point out the contradiction you jumped into the conversation on their side.

              Saying that non-communist groups can't be worthy, of critical support is actually the unserious thing here.

          • SixthSunOfASixthSun@lemmy.ml
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            2 hours ago

            Nobody who is doing critical support for Putin is saying "America should be ruled like Russia".

            The groups you mention in their political context do not have alternatives that exhibit the following traits:

            1. The strength to defend against imperialism to the same degree
            2. Socialist politics

            Political context matters.

            • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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              2 hours ago

              Yeah nobody here wants Luigi running the United States either, I just want, and I assume others feel the same, for the next person who thinks about assassinating one of these vampires to make their decision with the knowledge that they'll be a national icon and not a pariah for doing it.

              • SixthSunOfASixthSun@lemmy.ml
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                2 hours ago

                So if the next guy is a literal Nazi instead of an typical American crypto-fash you're gonna be like damn that's my national icon?

                Sus.

                  • SixthSunOfASixthSun@lemmy.ml
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                    2 hours ago

                    So your line is that typical American crypto-fash is ok, but aesthetic Nazis are bad? Maybe this line is aesthetic for you but it's not for me

                        • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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                          2 hours ago

                          I think it's cool that someone killed a healthcare insurance CEO for being a greedy leech who daily commits social murder, even though he has tech bro muskrat brain worms and I wouldn't want to hang out with the guy.

                          You disagree so you tried to frame my position as being cool with crpto-fascists.

                          You're a dishonest jerk. Fuck you.

                    • ferristriangle [he/him]
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                      3 minutes ago

                      You sure are doing the meme of responding to "I like pancakes" with "oh, so you hate waffles??"

    • MouthyHooker [she/her]
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      3 hours ago

      I agree that we shouldn’t pedestal a chud but I was also under the impression that critical support of an individual does not equal “pedestaling” them.