The supermajority of self described vegans are ethical vegans. Ethical veganism is not a diet.
For example, animal products you find in a trash can are ethically vegan because consuming them does not contribute to, or create economic demand for animal abuse. First-hand leather products (which you do not eat) are absolutely not ethically vegan.
For example, animal products you find in a trash can are ethically vegan because consuming them does not contribute to, or create economic demand for animal abuse. First-hand leather products (which you do not eat) are absolutely not ethically vegan.
This is not a mainstream view in the same way it is not a mainstream view that eating human body you find from someone you did not kill is generally not considered ethical.
I don't because I think the idea of eating a literal part of an animal is gross and you probably should feel that way, but if you're already dumpster diving that implies you probably need it more than most. Regardless that's a great example of a vegan "party line" one might have.
I dunno about normative claims, I was just saying I think a lot of ethical vegans (i.e. actual vegans) disagree with dumpster diving for non human meat because they see it similar to corpse desecration.
I'm personally more sympathetic to the idea that bodies are just materials once someone is done with them but I know that this is a fringe view and it deeply upsets some people to consider the bodies of the dead disturbed in any way. At the same time I think there are perverse incentives there to be careful of and that normalising continued use of animal products may bleed over into stuff like "cheat days" so I remain theoretically sympathetic.
A lot of people are vegan or vegetarian for the same reason. Plenty of groups within the movement have theory and a party line
A party line… for a diet?
The supermajority of self described vegans are ethical vegans. Ethical veganism is not a diet.
For example, animal products you find in a trash can are ethically vegan because consuming them does not contribute to, or create economic demand for animal abuse. First-hand leather products (which you do not eat) are absolutely not ethically vegan.
This is not a mainstream view in the same way it is not a mainstream view that eating human body you find from someone you did not kill is generally not considered ethical.
You can agree that something is ethically vegan without agreeing that it's a good thing to do.
I don't because I think the idea of eating a literal part of an animal is gross and you probably should feel that way, but if you're already dumpster diving that implies you probably need it more than most. Regardless that's a great example of a vegan "party line" one might have.
I dunno about normative claims, I was just saying I think a lot of ethical vegans (i.e. actual vegans) disagree with dumpster diving for non human meat because they see it similar to corpse desecration.
I'm personally more sympathetic to the idea that bodies are just materials once someone is done with them but I know that this is a fringe view and it deeply upsets some people to consider the bodies of the dead disturbed in any way. At the same time I think there are perverse incentives there to be careful of and that normalising continued use of animal products may bleed over into stuff like "cheat days" so I remain theoretically sympathetic.
Yeah I agree with your examples :)
I’m not saying they’re different reasons I’m saying they’re not the same as one online forums singular enforced reason.