I want to like anarchists, I really do, but then I see them post shit like that and I just have to :cringe:

Anarchists, why are some of you like this?

    • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Abolishing the distinction between the built and unbuilt environment in an effort to establish a holistic relationship between human society and the planet as an organism? good, very good. Great, even. Uncritical support.

      Telling the 7 billion people who live in cities now that they have to leave because cities are a classist institution? bad, not good, really stupid dumb idea, even if rooted in historical materialism to some degree.

      • QuillQuote [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        communism will abolish cities

        I mean, it doesn't say immediately, cause it wouldn't be communism instantly now would it? Theres a very long transitional period for achieving true communism, I don't see why you're reading it the way you are

        • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I guess I just see something fundamentally strange about not wanting people to live together en masse. Yeah, modern cities like the east coast metropolis are cesspits of capitalist reproduction, but it doesn't need to be that way. We can build communist cities.

          • QuillQuote [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            not wanting people to live together en masse

            I think it's just as likely that the thought process could be "people living en masse is always bad no matter the circumstances because of xyz so we should stop that"

            Which is a thing you could disagree with, but probably makes sense with their beliefs, meaning at least you could understand why they believe it. And hey maybe the process of thinking about this and examining it from someone elses perspective would be beneficial, even without you changing your mind or anything. IMO a post in !anarchism@hexbear.net saying "I saw this take and it made me go wtf, can y'all help me understand?" would have done you better, though I understand I'm overthinking this and you probably made this post offhandedly, but I wanted to speak up

            Idunno, posts like this one are for libs and chuds not for comrades (unless it's reactionary or w/e) even if they say wacky shit, especially without even looking into it. anyway end of rant sorry lol/

            I also assume theres gotta be some way to do communist cities that are good, but I haven't looked into it so I'm open to the opposite

      • comi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Well, I think it’s a common issue of taking end goals and putting them before the cart (or whatever the expression is), so to speak.

      • CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn [any]
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        4 years ago

        I mean "immediately get rid of cities" is ridiculous but so is assuming no one would ever want to live in the country.

      • TheSaltan1312 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        City is good. Countryside is good for different reasons. If we can marry the reasons why the countryside is good with the reasons the city is good we will have achieved communism.

      • comi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Meh, big cities are not inherently better than smaller cities, they create issues with concentrated waste and pollution, plus higher efficiency seems more like indulgence to waste. Dunno, I feel ideally cities shouldn’t be bigger than 200-500 k people

          • comi [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Mm yes? There is no qualitative difference (outside of underground) between 10 million city and 0,5 - 1 million city: power plants, sewage treatment and all just multiply to scale

      • comi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Completely unrelated question: what’s your eyeglass prescription? ✍️