I've been speaking with other more informed communists and they've told me that none actually exist. Is this true?
China, Laos, and Vietnam: now notoriously capitalists. Workers work 12+ hours with no protection in horrible factory conditions. Suicide rates are so high that suicide nets are installed. The air is so polluted millions die from lung cancer, especially factory workers w/out basic masks. Corporations dominate
North Korea: Undemocratically ruled by the Kim dynasty. Jong un indulges lavishly at the expense of his citizens, ordering millions in fine wine and trips from Denis Rodman. They might be the most socialist though, as Juche seems to otherwise be democratic.
Cuba: Sanctions have taken a massive toll, but even taking that into account the country still has its own problems. They have massive food shortages and inventory probs and aren't self sufficient after 60+ years. Why couldn't they've use machinery imported from the Soviet Union to develop their agriculture and fishery? The Soviets supported them heavily. They seem to be incredibly mismanaged or corrupt
So, I want to engage in as good of faith possible, here.
It's not about whether it's discomforting, it's about whether or not what you're saying is even true. I have zero reason to believe what you posted has any basis in fact. You initially copy/pasted it with no citation.
Now, the links you're giving are decidedly not Korean. The DPRK puts out works of theory and the like, fairly readily. All I'm asking for is a primary source for this.
But let's assume it's 100% true, for a minute.
Even if it is, and Korean socialism does look the way that these 10 points describe, why might that be? What would drive such an insular, personality-cult driven, set of doctrine?
Could it, perchance, be the fact that the United States set about occupying half of the Korean Peninsula? Reinstalling many of the Japanese colonial administrators the Korean people had just spent decades trying to kick out?
Might it have something to do with the fact that the US bombed the entire peninsula so heavily, that US pilots complained that they were no more targets, and that Koreans literally began living in caves and a result?
If you actually care about Koreans, and are unsettled by the centralization of power in the DPRK, then you ought to recognize that it's US imperial policy that has irrevocably shaped the destiny of the Korean peninsula.
If there's any reason to "Stand up" for the DPRK, it's for the exact reasons you've laid out. If a society is too heal, and overcome the sort of backward despotism you've presented, then the answer is surely to not isolate it more. To not continue to fuel the siege mentality that drives the state ideology. But rather, to work for peace and unification, so that the whole of Korea might, once again, be able to shape its own destiny.
So I read through his links. There isn't a citation to any of these interviews (a necessity for actual academic journalism) to make sure things aren't being taken out of context. The first document even says that "North Korean experts disagree with these things because they view North Korea through the lens of their propaganda." And even then there are only three uncited interviews, one which is obviously an absolutely outrageous lie that breaking the frame of a photo of Kim Jon Il while polishing it is grounds for the execution of an entire family.
For context, the atrocities of the Pinochet regime are backed up by literally hundreds of recorded, cited interviews, some even by guards who participated in the violence admitting their culpability years later (though usually with the excuse that they weren't the ones committing the mass rape, etc.).
This is nothing. This is unsubstantial.
"North Korea has shitty policies because it has been isolated from the rest of the world," is a statement that I agree wholeheartedly with, and yes it should be opened to things like international trade. The same holds true for Cuba, etc.
finally a half good opinion
I am surprised you are allowed to believe North Korea is a shitty country with shitty policies
no one controls my beliefs, and who cited the CIA for theirs again?
Are you going to disagree with the content, or are you going to continue using your Nazi logic of attacking the (alleged) source and it's purported jewishness, rather than addressing its content
"Citations needed."
"Ummm akshually that's something a NAZI would do."
"Children in North Korea eat rats and then the rats eat the children. You must engage with whatever I claim or you're a red facist.
the smugness of these dronies is always their only personality, its very boring
You have your citations. Engage with their contents
"Yes I identify as an anarchist, yes I uncritically believe everything the CIA and U.S. state dept tell me, we exist. Henry Kissinger is a great man."
So, you refuse to engage with the contents, do I have that right
the contents are CIA prop, we aint reading a bit of that. You could just denounce that citation and bring in new ones. There are countless anti DPRK orgs
of course most are funded by the SKorean government or the CIA but you could make an effort.
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-08-23/h_e2776aabeda048da22aebc586654236f
HRW is calling for an investigation into the Israeli bombing of a Gazan ambulance as a war crime.
It's a real shame your brain has been reduced to nothing but mindless campism
Are you saying im a zionist for not believing your shit takes on North Korea? Are you being stupid on purpose or do you find it funny?
Are you telling me you believe things human rights watch says?
Are you telling me Im a nazi for not believing your CIA org? Don't derail the convo
denounce your CIA source and I'll give a shit
The CIA is evil.
Can you personally condemn all state affiliated media from the CCP, Vietnam, and Russia?
CPC* but I wouldn't expect an uninformed liberal to know, and they haven't created a worldwide network of lies and nazis (unlike the CIA)
Vietnam yeah, they don't have a distrustful track record and I am proudly biased towards socialism (unlike your bias towards capitalist dogs)
Russia ain't communist, do you live in the 80s? That would explain how you fell for the NED.
So you do condemn all CCP state propaganda, right?
Do you condemn the propaganda of the Nazi Party from 1939 to 1945?
what are these little hoops you want me to jump through? You know the answers! What do you even have left at this point.
The CPC has arranged for the publication of many communist works, especially but not exclusively Mao's. I endorse their doing so. Am I a Nazi?
Okay, so you don't trust Human Rights Watch to diagnose the situation in Gaza either.
I guess that's all we can talk about, because you can't even bring yourself to read anything that you think is too globalist.
so you've moved from "you're a nazi" to "you're a zionist"
you have to be a bit, but its painful to realize that you're just another real, dumb liberal
Did you have a point other than lying in an attempt to insult me
The fact you just said that proves to me you are incapable of self-reflection
You're doing all the self-reflecting for me. Do you want to talk about actual ideas, or do you want to keep screaming insults and using ad hominems
You have the reflective ability of Dark matter
Sure thing fash
I love how you think you've made me mad with your inability to hold a basic informed opinion
"Disagreeing with me and actually questioning the viability of your sources makes you a nazi, I am very smart."
Who let this child into the adult section? I gotta talk to their parents.
Why don't you read the documents and tell me whether they are right or wrong? You seem obsessed with calling out the source as being globalist
If you don't believe in something because it's been created an arm of the US government for propaganda purposes, that's just like what the Nazis do.
Seriously what is this shit, of course something can be not credible because of the source, would you believe something you read on InfoNews
Yeah, sure. Same goes for all Chinese state media, all North Korean state media, all Russian state media, all Vietnamese state media, etc. All of those things could be 100% dishonest, and anything that agrees with those countries might be paid by them.
Which is apparently the level of conspiracy theory you, and other reactionaries, are attempting to grasp at.
So let's go back to the contents, and if the source offends you, we can talk about your offense after that.
Do you even know what the word ”reactionary” means?
You're the only one here who's posting state propaganda and expecting people to treat it as genuine, so apparently you think US state media is somehow exceptional. And not even just state media, CIA-funded media.
But unless you have the bigotry of low expectations, you should be expecting more out of the country
What exactly do you want out of a society that was burnt to the ground and survived an attempted genocide? The U.S. dropped more ordinance on NK than they used in the entirety of WW2 and destruction of Japanese cities was a fraction of what the Korean people suffered. The U.S. then helped prop up an authoritarian police state in the South for decades, I'd likely be skeptical of what western democracy entailed after watching entire towns burned to a crisp with napalm. Do you also expect the Gazan population to be a liberal democracy?
Do you use this logic to excuse the third Reich after Germany got decimated
A country involuntarily split and then decimated by a foreign power because they were likely to adopt a communist government is definitely the same as the Nazis, wow you're very smart.
If you only knew how smart you sounded, fash
Do you also deride the Gazan population for not being the most progressive liberal democracy in the world? Why or why not? I'm sure after seeing their families and homes turned to ash they need to condemn Hamas right?
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oh thats where they went? They're a 'do you denounce Hamas?' lib?
Honestly how does this just keep going
My favorite part is they asked if I supported Hamas and then assured themselves the answer would be no.
they're PMing me too and combing through my profile to find dirt on me lol, definitely not mad no siree
From the river to the sea
oh noes apparently my support for Hamas makes me
Checks notes
A zionist?
The rarest of cat girls, the red fascist zionist.
I just deleted them, you should too, keeping them in the open is important to silence the 2nd coming of LiberalSocialist
I'm just wondering what Vaush Patreon tier they're at.
Explain further, your quips aren't politics.