Sorry, I know debatebro-ism is the 12th type of liberalism :denguin:
Disappointed by Wolff tbh. He's too moralizing, comes off as a Christian Socialist. He's also long winded, yeah I know it was a live debate but he should've been able to make his points more focused. He also hangs on to dead ends (Socialism's definition isn't amorphous, Mondragon is good, etc.) which he doesn't need to. He basically rolls over to Destiny's weird hostility to using history and class relations to explain modes of production, doesn't put enough emphasis in them as processes instead of things that people just enact one day.
Was amazing, it literally is from Gorgias, one of the socratic dialogues, that Plato schools people who do bad faith rhetoric and sophistry and in Aristotele's De interpretatione he schools people with tertium non datur:
Which means as much as the excluded third. If you act as if there would only be Yes/No or True/False you ignore reality, cause a sentence for example like tomorrow there will be a sea battle is yet to be determined. It means that by acting as if all the other choices are excluded you leave 'the reasonable discourse' and the answer is one in sophistry then. Quine says more or less: 'Those who act as if they hold believes and argue without holding those believes are people you don't argue with' another truly inspiring philosopher that: 'If you start to talk shit, you get hit'.