Sorry, I know debatebro-ism is the 12th type of liberalism :denguin:
Disappointed by Wolff tbh. He's too moralizing, comes off as a Christian Socialist. He's also long winded, yeah I know it was a live debate but he should've been able to make his points more focused. He also hangs on to dead ends (Socialism's definition isn't amorphous, Mondragon is good, etc.) which he doesn't need to. He basically rolls over to Destiny's weird hostility to using history and class relations to explain modes of production, doesn't put enough emphasis in them as processes instead of things that people just enact one day.
This reminds me of the quip:
Asking an auditorium Please show of hands, who here is a capitalist (some hands are raised)
Oh, okay, who of you does subsist from the profits your capital or rental objects generate and don't have to work or go into debt for attending school here? Nearly all the hands go down
Seems you aren't capitalist after all.