Similar reason I curse like 99.8% of whites, really. Imagine being told all your life that you just have to live with your oppressor killing you in one breath and having all the choice in where they live, where they work, and how little they get harassed in their day to day in the other; knowing you will never get any of those same benefits, and don't get to even entertain ideas of separating yourself off from the people who have made sport of having you killed in the streets without getting finger-wagged for "being a 'segregationist' or 'genocide enthusiast'".
Imagine knowing your community has only been fully and truly free for all of about thirty years, between the end of Jim Crow and the start of Joe Biden's crime bill; and knowing ever since then, things have just gotten worse for you and yours-- and the settlers who have enslaved, raped, killed, and made tap-dancing minstrel-show misleaders of hundreds of thousands if not millions of your people over the centuries of oppression say it's 'legal'.
What Palestine lives through is an accelerated, more-brutalized iteration of the Black struggle for liberation; and as a result, it's an absolute riot to me that these crackers in the West expect me to up Israel, to up Little Amerika, knowing everything I know.
1830s headline: "Indian savages caught chanting 'death to white people'; genocide against them now considered self-defense."
I've said it before, and I'll say it til these lungs are airless: "terrorist" is nothing more than the 21st century "savage" in the way the crackers weaponize it against people.
When we create, they call us copy right breaking thieves. When they kill us, they call us weaklings who can't defend themselves. When we starve, they tell us we can't live without the white man. When we fight, they call us terrorists. and we build something, they calls us a dictatorship regime. and just like we say in Algeria "Yetnako"
This reminds me of a video portraying Tencent as le evil mastermind corpo from the movies, which starts by saying how they never made something original, just copies. Then goes on to say how their version of ICQ was a) adapted to Chinese internet b) had extra features. I wonder what Chinese companies should've done according to him, just accept that ICQ solved chatting once and for all? Of course that's a stupid question because he's just fearmongering/spreading propaganda, but still..
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In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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Honestly, I'm having a hard time seeing how it's 'essentialism' when I'm decrying things that white folk never stopped doing-- if anything, they just found sneakier ways to go about the same objectives of Manifest Destiny, the same objectives of Intentionally-Downed-Reconstruction, the same objectives of Jim Crow, the same objectives of the '94 Crime Bill, probably so on, probably so forth.
Just 'cause a smaller fraction of the settler majority don't doesn't suddenly make it all sweet. Talk like that is giving real "#notallmen" in this moment, and... If we don't fuck with that, we shouldn't be fuckin with "#notallwhites" or "#notallisraelis". My 2c on the matter of 'essentialism'.
Well yeah. It's just a term for it, it's not a statement. Criticisms of essentialism can be just as problematic (or not) as essentialism itself is (or isn't) (see Glen Coulthard's Red Skin White Masks). It is has been useful for a long time. Certainly figures like Pontiac and Tecumseh used it in their rhetoric.
It is 'strategic' because the essentialism is usually borrowing white notions of race and flipping them around (I.e. Calling the white man barbaric because he does exactly what he accuses others of doing and calls them barbaric). It's not meant to justify the notion of barbarism or lack of civilization, or to double down on white ontology, rather it's meant to flip the script and name the oppressor. It's how the Seminole clans describe the White War, as barbarism, but this is a flipped version of essentialism that is created by white settlers and weaponized against Native people and enslaved people (especially those that escape). Thus, strategic essentialism. It is meant to have rhetorical utility accross major political divides while also uniting a coalition.
And your point about women and men also works well. Women that use strategic essentialism are generally not intenting to advance sexist paradigms, but are naming the system they are subjected to.
Okay, had to be sure where you were coming from-- why I tried to couch what I was saying to defang it towards 'you' and more seat it in a societal sense. I've dealt with way too many people who operate off a very liberal sense of "I can just call this essentialism and never have to address it from there" on some thought-termination shit; I appreciate you expanding this out.
My original comment was a bit cryptic and could have used clarification. It was just the first thing my nerd brain thought. I'm sure there is nuance to add considering anti Jewish sentiments are quite real (and not always easily compared to whiteness, for example) but yet the whole idea of "strategic essentialism" still seems worth mentioning.
If you create a genocidal ethnostate based on your religion, don't be surprised when people hate that religion
Exactly why Zionism does not make Jewish people safer. Zionists are antisemitic both towards its targets and the people it aims to integrate into their ideology.
I mean yeah, but I was talking about its followers, not about the religion itself.
antisemitism is prevalent in among the more fundamentalist groups of course but their antisemitism and why it grew due to Israel being perceived as a Jewish state is different from antisemitism in the west. the context and history is very different.
Also its Ansarallah not "Houthis".
Houthis is derogatory term.
oh sorry, i didn't know this. i always knew them by the other term. i'll edit the title to reflect that.
coincidentally we had a (now-banned) far-right islamist party over here named "ansarullah bangla team"
It makes sense to hate who your oppressors claim to be. “Israel” wants to be associated with all Judaism so they can say their enemies are anti-Semitic. Some fundamentalists take them on their word and hate the entirety of Jews.
I looked it up, found a tweet by no other, I am not going to translate this tweet here for obvious reasons, so use a translator.
how the fuck are you able to tweet this long 💀💀 i thought it had a 140-280 character limit
my god, google is getting tired at merely the first paragraph, saying it's "crossing the 3900 character limit" even though the first paragraph barely looks like it's even more than 3900 characters 🥴🥴
الصرخة في وجه المستكبرين page 9, it's a book see if you can find a translation for it online
I'm not well educated about Ansarullah's views on the world Jewish community as a whole but I can tell you that in the Arab world when speaking in the context of Israel & Palestine "the Jews" (Yahud/Yahudi) is often used interchangably with "Zionist" (Sahyuni).
I think its a recognition of reality. Overwhelming majority of Jews support Israel in way way or another. Most of the "anti-zionist Jews" aren't really against the existence of the occupation they just want to "end apartheid" because it looks bad and is unsustainable for occupation. Like those protestors earlier this year realizing that the more their "Jewish State" desecrates Al-Aqsa, the more likely the Palestinians wipe their "Jewish State" from the face of the earth. As Khaled Barakat in a recent interview stated, a lot of them are just upset about their captured cousins and they wouldn't be nearly as energized if not for that.
The tiny fraction of Jewish community actually supporters of Palestinian liberation will recognize facts pointed out by user @frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml and would shut their mouths about how Ansarallah survives one of the most brutal siege of modern history.
Edit: Almost every Jewish institution and organization on the planet is connected to the occupation. Let's not fool ourselves.
Arab and Islamic Resistance will also liberate Jews from Zionism.
Overwhelming majority of Jews support Israel in way way or another
What is your basis for this? My impression was the opposite, albeit based on very limited information
Safe to assume "israelis" support their state even if they don't like the particular government. US is next biggest population of Jews.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/
BDS is bare minimum yet here we are only 10% of Jews in US support it.
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Eight in 10 Jews say supporting "Israel" is important part of being Jewish
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These are unexpected figures. Similar to @GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml, I thought Jewish support for Israel was a lot lower than the media often suggests. I wonder the extent to which the survey questions led towards these headlines.
These kinds of surveys do it with everything else. Like that recent one that essentially asked, 'Do you support Israel's right to defend itself?' on the one hand and 'Do you condemn Hamas for beheading babies and eating their livers?' on the other. Almost everyone will support Israel over Hamas if you ask it like that.
The first question, for example, suggests a 'quiet majority' of strong pro-Israel opinion roughly correlating to the size of the US population that votes Republican. Then some dispersed views on an apparent but false continuum from support to oppose. For instance someone might support the goals of BDS but think that BDS is ineffective. That can't be captured by the current question. Oppose, therefore, will capture Zionists and anti-Zionists, whereas support is likely only to capture anti-Zionists. I don't think the results necessarily show that only 10% of US Jews support Palestinians.
The figures also don't add up. Net support/oppose tallies 'somewhat/strongly' support/oppose. Then there's an average of 2% who didn't answer. In total, the table only captures 55% respondents. So we're missing the views of roughly 45% of US Jews.
The second question can be interpreted in two ways. (1) What does Israel mean for someone's own Judaism. (2) What does Israel mean for someone's own concept of Judaism in general (which includes what any one person thinks other people think about their own Judaism and Judaism in general). If it's the former, you get one answer. If it's the latter, you get people answering based on what the friends, media, etc, tell them about what other Jews mean when they talk about being Jewish.
I'd also wonder about non-Jewish responses to see whether these results are from living in the US as opposed to being Jewish. I suspect that Jewish views would reflect USian views now broadly. The fact that the survey only asks Jews is potentially an inherent problem with the survey itself. (Maybe it asked everyone but asked participants to identify their ethnicity/religion or something like that and the surveyors disaggregated the stats?)
All this doesn't necessarily discount your conclusions. I'd just be wary of fully relying on a survey like this to reach conclusions about actual levels of Jewish support for Israel. The labels themselves are poorly written and do not, in my view, support what is represented in the tables, nevermind the way that the survey was structured, framed, and shared, or when and how participants were chosen.
The survey only takes into account the US. It is a very reactionary country and not necessarily representative of Judaism as a whole. With biased questions at least 80% of USians support "Israel" but a majority of youth do not.
It is true a lot of liberals (jewish and non-jewish) dislike Netanyahu and his like for being too mask off. It is also true many organizations that claim to represent Judaism have zionist connections. However, the Zionist entity has a conscious strategy of falsely equating the faith with the project so they can equate palestine supporters and Nazis, despite the fact that many Jews recognizing that the horrific colonial regime does not represent their values.
"Jew = Israel, Israel = Jew"This is what the Israeli embassy in China said.Thanks to Zionist propaganda, the word "Jew" has become synonymous with greedy capitalists and evil colonialists in Chinese.
Let's put it this way.
A lot of Palestinians actually have Jewish heritage, they just however converted to Islam (I believe the chain was Jewish people, something else than Islam) and that's a general feature for most religions that have this sort of holy war mentality. Even ISIS, the big bogeyman of the West offered conversion as an alternative to displacement with at least some Christians taking up the offer.
Judaism however, is behaving like Islam, but they believe in this chosen people malarky and thus, are just killing Palestinians even though a large number of Palestinians have Jewish heritage so realistically, Israel is killing their own kin who should be capable of just becoming Jewish again.
To me anyway, with the way Israel is conducting themselves, their religion is just ethnic cleansing with the worst traits of religions that proselytize and holy war combined with the worst traits of religions that believe their people are special in some way.
If Israel at the very least offered conversion to the Palestinians, I believe a lot of the violence would have already been resolved by now but they don't and while the truth is that it is because Israel is a white supremacy state, they use their religion as a cover so most people blame that for the current atrocities.
Judaism however, is behaving like Islam
What do you mean? Zionism is a settler-colonial ideology that uses Judaism as a political tool, and ISIS does not represent Islam
I never said ISIS represents all of Islam, my point is that Israel is like ISIS but worse because at least ISIS offers the option of conversion (which is because unlike Judaism, Islam gives that as an option). For people who hate both ISIS and Israel, the conclusion that Israel is worse is quite clear and a big part of that is the way the religion conducts itself when conducting conquest. That the natives cannot be integrated into your society and must be "removed".
If Christians were the ones in Israel, things would still be very terrible for the Palestinians because of the colonial nature (probably more similar to South Africa which had apartheid but less genocide of the natives) but it wouldn't be as terrible as it is now with Israel trying to exterminate the entire strip.
but it wouldn’t be as terrible as it is now with Israel trying to exterminate the entire strip.
Major yikes. If you think it's about religion, explain the genocides the US committed against its own native populations.
I will reiterate.
When Jewish people say, "We will make this land purely Jewish", I read that as genocide.
Also, you clearly aren't understanding my point, I am simply answering the question of, why would the hate for Israel extend to a hatred of Jews and not stating a personal belief. Clearly, it is the US continuing it's imperialist policies but for a lot of people, the nature of Judaism and how it has to expand it's numbers and territory is a good reason to lump them in with Israel and the United States.
I read that as persecution.
This has to be a bit. In what world are these two not exactly the same? It sounds exactly the same as the genocide one to me.
If anything, Jewish people have the greater claim to persecution given the literal Holocaust had just happened.
(Edit: Please do not misconstrue this comment to be justifying Israel's actions.)
Edit 2: You decided to completely edit out the text of your previous comment where you claimed when Christian people do the same thing, it's only persecution.
Whatever you think about the original question, presenting the claim that things would be somehow better if it were Christians without qualification that you don't agree with those views is justifying the genocides Christians have done, including the actual Holocaust itself.
how it has to expand it’s numbers and territory
I don't think this is a belief of Judaism. If you're referring to the baby boom, that was by no means isolated to Jews in any way. Perhaps you're confusing it with Christianity, which actually does believe this as part of the faith?
If anything, Jewish people have the greater claim to persecution given the literal Holocaust had just happened.
How would the Jewish people have a greater claim according to the Houthis who likely know very little about events in Europe or even care?
Again, I am reiterating how people there would have issue with Judaism as a religion and would curse the Jews and again, it's because of how Judaism is different from Islam and Christianity. Islam allows new adherents, in fact, most Houthis would probably at least admit their people weren't always Islamic. For them, it would appear at least at face value that Judaism is a religion that promotes genocides because when they take land, it necessitates the removal of the natives.
Since you revised your parent comment, I revised mine.
For them, it would appear at least at face value that Judaism is a religion that promotes genocides because when they take land, it necessitates the removal of the natives.
I could definitely see people falling for the Zionism = Judaism thing especially in the land controlled by Israel.
How would the Jewish people have a greater claim according to the Houthis who likely know very little about events in Europe or even care?
That said, a "greater claim" than who? I was speaking in context of your comment comparing Judaism and Christianity, and I still think even they would believe Jews had a greater claim to persecution than if the US military (or any other third party really) were to show up and started doing genocide purportedly because Jesus needs Christians in control of the Holy Land.
even they would believe Jews had a greater claim to persecution than if the US military were to show up and started doing genocide purportedly because Jesus needs Christians in control of the Holy Land.
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That is not the comparison I am making. The point I am trying to make is that a religion that does not welcome you as a believer is going to be more concerning to a person than a religion that does. A Houthi cannot become a Jew (for the most part). A Palestinian Muslim, even if their ancestors were Jewish 1000 years ago cannot become a Jew again (at least according to the way Israel has been conducting itself). And for those reason, it makes sense that Judaism itself is viewed with concern by the Houthis.
edit: To further explain this point at least how I imagine most people in the region would at least think about. When Islam came to that land, they converted the local community to Islam. But when these new people come in, they want to kill everyone? Why don't they just convert the locals again? For most people, the explanation would be Judaism as a religion.
This is idealist analysis. It's not a religious conflict. Forced conversion is genocide. "Israel" is not being assimilationist because they are racist and settler colonial. They don't care about Judaism. Most Israelis are atheist and the state violates the Torah. They sterilized african jews. They killed Jewish Palestinians along with the Muslims.
