I'm sorry if this is isn't the appropriate comm, but I'm curious about why the angels sided with Lucifer in a fight they knew they would lose?
Were there things Lucifer said to get angels on his side or did they just follow his example and refuse to subjugate themselves to humanity? Was there any context like that in the Bible?
The only actual Biblical mention of the "War in Heaven" is in the Book of Revelations, which was really more of a political allegory than a literal apocalypse prophecy. It was pride, rebellion against God's natural order, refusal to submit to or hold equal footing with humanity because they came first, and everything else is just John Milton fan fiction (again sometimes interpreted as his melodramatic baroque copium for the parliamentary revolution failing and losing his eyesight)
why the angels sided with Lucifer in a fight they knew they would lose?
Ideology? If I was to meet the judeo-christain God, even if I knew he would punish me for it, I would have some very harsh things to say to him, and if Lucifer was gathering an army to fight against him, I would happily join.
I could understand that about ideology, but I meant more strategically speaking. Angels are supposed to have a higher knowledge than humans, but instead of just throwing themselves into a woodchipper, why not rebel in other more subversive ways? In ways that last a longer game than a war of force?
What did they or Lucifer believe they would accomplish in a war they would lose? They know they can live an eternal existence and they should have therefore had time to develop a strategy. I was just hoping to find a Bible passage or piece of apocrypha describing what Lucifer said to instigate a war against God.
Either they were human in some way and decided to challenge God over ideology or they were alien and saw some unknown strategy that their battle accomplished. I'm trying to understand how angels were believed to think
Yeah, I take your point. Although being expelled from heaven they were given some influence on the humans on earth, so maybe that was their strategy?
Well, some wanted human ladies to get some nephilims going (i assume they are fallen ???)
I keep forgetting about the nephilim. In my head I thought the nephilim came after the fall. Goliath was one, right?
Is there like a clear biblical timeline? I always understood the sequence of events as -
God created the universe > angels > earth > Life besides humans > Adam > Lilith > Eve in that order.
Lucifer and the angels were commanded by God to prostrate themselves to Adam/humans.
Lucifer refused to do so, and with him, gathered a number of angels to challenge God.
He failed where he was cast into hell and the others were exiled from heaven.
The cast out angels intermingled with humans making nephilim like the giant Goliath.
I know a lot of that is probably very wrong, but I learned a lot of it from a bad community.
I think lilith is non-christian or very esoteric real-old-testament-heads stuff.
My understanding is that finding love with women forced angels to fall - as in, they were not fallen beforehand, because they are referred to as sons of heaven
. But this all could be some translations shit.But to your main topic, i don't think any angels are referred explicitly as following main baddie. It's all conjuration, cause demons suddenly appear in new testament as malevolent spirits
