• UnironicAntiNatalist [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I wouldn’t describe it as a “desire” or “destruction”. I think we should just decided not to continue life and i think that for moral reasons.

        • UnironicAntiNatalist [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Yeah that’s the nuclear option, I’d prefer it if we went the non-destruction route but considering how I view giving birth as violence I think I’d consider it.

            • UnironicAntiNatalist [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              3 years ago

              despite the fact that once living, almost all beings would choose to stay that way for as long as possible.

              Are stupid meat computer minds give us a drive towards self preservation that often overrides our real emotional desires. Also society pressures people to continue existing even when they don’t want to. Life is pain for many people and they should be allowed to exit it if they want.

              • sysgen [none/use name,they/them]
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                3 years ago

                There is no difference between you and your meat computer. You are the meat computer. If the meat computer wants itself to self-preserve then so does the person. The meat computer doesn't always want to self preserve.

                • UnironicAntiNatalist [none/use name]
                  hexagon
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                  3 years ago

                  I think there’s a deeper truer self than my base emotions. My base programming wants me to pump out offspring, my higher philosophical self gets that wrong.

                  • sysgen [none/use name,they/them]
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                    3 years ago

                    There really isn't. You are a being made out of many parts, what you're experiencing is your consciousness that allows you to reflect on your own mind. You can try to judge by yourself which part of your mind is better or worse but ultimately that's subjective and they are all necessary for you being you and you can't really imagine who you would be if that changed.

                    Personally I'd find life much worse if we didn't have that primordial urge to have sex and form romantic relationships, both of which are part of the urge to reproduce in an equal way.

                    But it's very important to realize that there is no higher and lower, base and philosophical self. They are one and the same and without either you wouldn't exist.