Christianity in the original sense I mean in the Nicene creed where trinity was approved where 1 god is represented as father, son and the holy spirit.
That is not what the Nicene Creed says at all. It quite literally states that Christ is “begotten of God”, meaning that they are district separate entities in regards to the Father and Holy Spirit.
Again on top of being wrong, that is the still only interpretation and creed of a single sect of the Catholic Church. There have been many schisms over this interpretation and it is in no ways “canon” to Christianity, it is just the beliefs of a group of priests 300 years after the death of Christ and beginning of Christianity.
In fact, there is nothing in the Bible that states that Christ is “God the Son”, which was later hypothesized and added after the fact by Christian theology. The Trinity in itself is also an interpretation, not hard and fast canon.
Why would you ever use chatgpt to try and argue for you 😭😂 do you realize how comically bad a lot of the information it just said is??? I kid you not, it just pulled several of those facts, quotes, and interpretations out of its ass lmao.
You’ve got to be kidding me 😂 that's before I even get to you just immediately insulting people for just pointing out that you’re saying things that are blatantly false.
Do you even know what the word narcissistic means? Or are all your comments just chatgpt fighting your battles for you?
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
It’s native to Europe yes, but that disregards the hundreds of millions of people they are orthodox Christians in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Central Europe. Along with the many many smaller sects that Catholicism attempted to destroy.
No it doesn't. My point is just that it's wrong to characterize trinitarianism as some rare American creed when most Christians in Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Ireland, Austria, and Poland subscribe to the idea. According to Pew research, Catholics make up around 50% of all Christians, so although it is wrong to say all Christians believe in the Trinity, it's just as wrong to suggest very few Christians recognize the Trinity.
Ah, you meant about the trinity, my bad. Just to be clear, that wasn’t what we’re discussing though, he’s arguing for the reformationist interpretation of Jesus being part of the Father himself, not them both being God.
Yeah, I know that I kinda live in a Muslim country
I didn't know until 2 weeks ago that Christians has 3 in 1 god and Islam believes in Tawheed. It was always confusing to me.
That’s very reductive, Christianity doesn’t dictate a 3 in 1 God. Only certain sects believe in that.
Christianity in the original sense I mean in the Nicene creed where trinity was approved where 1 god is represented as father, son and the holy spirit.
That is not what the Nicene Creed says at all. It quite literally states that Christ is “begotten of God”, meaning that they are district separate entities in regards to the Father and Holy Spirit.
Again on top of being wrong, that is the still only interpretation and creed of a single sect of the Catholic Church. There have been many schisms over this interpretation and it is in no ways “canon” to Christianity, it is just the beliefs of a group of priests 300 years after the death of Christ and beginning of Christianity.
In fact, there is nothing in the Bible that states that Christ is “God the Son”, which was later hypothesized and added after the fact by Christian theology. The Trinity in itself is also an interpretation, not hard and fast canon.
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Why would you ever use chatgpt to try and argue for you 😭😂 do you realize how comically bad a lot of the information it just said is??? I kid you not, it just pulled several of those facts, quotes, and interpretations out of its ass lmao.
You’ve got to be kidding me 😂 that's before I even get to you just immediately insulting people for just pointing out that you’re saying things that are blatantly false.
Do you even know what the word narcissistic means? Or are all your comments just chatgpt fighting your battles for you?
I will politely ask you not comment on my any post. This will be my last reply to your comment
https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe
I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
https://www.bibleref.com/John/10/John-10-30.html#:~:text=Jesus%20uses%20the%20%22neuter%22%20form,partial%20explanation%20of%20the%20Trinity.
I’ll comment where I please, this is a public forum. Who are you to say where someone can post? You’ve been here for 4 days.
Also nice random copy and paste, that is entirely unrelated to what we are talking about, did you even read what you posted?
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Catholicism is large and European
It’s native to Europe yes, but that disregards the hundreds of millions of people they are orthodox Christians in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Central Europe. Along with the many many smaller sects that Catholicism attempted to destroy.
No it doesn't. My point is just that it's wrong to characterize trinitarianism as some rare American creed when most Christians in Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Ireland, Austria, and Poland subscribe to the idea. According to Pew research, Catholics make up around 50% of all Christians, so although it is wrong to say all Christians believe in the Trinity, it's just as wrong to suggest very few Christians recognize the Trinity.
Ah, you meant about the trinity, my bad. Just to be clear, that wasn’t what we’re discussing though, he’s arguing for the reformationist interpretation of Jesus being part of the Father himself, not them both being God.
Ah. That's am idea I haven't dealt with much so I probably got lost in the language.