I posted that one comment from another thread on lemmygrad on the reddit thread, an analysis of why China is socialist. I'll put it in the comments.

  • Omniraptor [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    From what I see the criticism is that China isn't doing enough to assist the workers of the world in overthrowing their own governments and replacing them with socialist ones. I'm afraid that they've devolved into 'peaceful coexistence' same as the Soviet Union, which will build internal contradictions and ultimately cause them them to backslide into capitalism just like it did the Soviets.

    So yeah government/vanguard cannot either while they're surrounded by enemies, but they're not doing enough to eliminate those enemies either

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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      7 months ago

      You can disagree with China's strict non-interventionism, and its refusal to get involved in war-quagmires and export revolution like the USSR did (that ultimately proved to be a massive drain on the USSR's economy via the cold-war-arms-race), but it doesn't make them any less socialist.

      The CPC underwent tremendous struggle to liberate China from foreign domination, and they believe it's the responsibility of each country to do that same difficult work of liberating themselves.

      • Omniraptor [they/them]
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        7 months ago

        I do disagree. Like, to me the basic philosophy that underpins socialism is that if someone needs help you should do your best to help them.. as opposed to talking about how it's their own responsibility to help themselves

        • jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml
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          7 months ago

          How many socialist countries that the Soviet Union once fully supported still exist?People don't cherish what they are given, they only cherish what they gain through struggle.

          • Omniraptor [they/them]
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            7 months ago

            "people don't cherish what they are given" isn't this a classic right wing talking point tho. like, bootstraps ideology

            • jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml
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              7 months ago

              This is reality. The difference between left and right It lies in people's subjective behavior rather than denying objective existence.