• Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I think that gets into whether you think murder implies intent or not. What if someone hits "pause" with the paused person's consent and every intention of hitting "play" sometime soon, but external forces somehow prevent them from doing so? Is that a murder?

    Even for some modern medical procedures, there are times when doctors induce a brief state of reversible clinical death. Sometimes shit goes pear-shaped and people don't wake up. Is that murder?

    • ToastGhost [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      it may not be murder but it is unquestionably death, also clinical death doesnt mean everything is dead, and the definition of "dead" continues to receed as our medical capabilities advance, the brain is still doing stuff as you lay there "clinically dead".

      • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        But we only define it as death because, assumedly, that person can't be woken back up. And given that the universe still has a couple gugolplex years to go, even that may not be true in the long run. Who knows? Maybe in a few thousand years people will figure out how to resurrect the dead from their point of death. If you don't perceive the time between when your heart stops and when it restarts, even the idea of death itself may become obsolete.

        • ToastGhost [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Considering the dead people get consumed by worms, their matter gets integrated into the worm, the worm gets eaten by a chicken, then the chicken again consumed by a human, most are probably unsaveable, as reversing that much entropy would probably require more energy than contained in the entire universe. Even in cases where the body isnt scattered to the wind, were once again arriving at the scanning and copying, which isnt really medicine anymore, and now its not only the problem of getting an infinitely perfect copy, but also the problem that we now need to edit that copy to be alive again. Luckily, we lost the ethical dilema of killing the original, since incinerating a corpse would be fine even if youre not teleporting it.

          • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            You never know. There's an interesting idea I've read about that posits that a society with sufficient predictive technology would essentially be able to recreate the past by analyzing all the forces acting on a particle, then tracing those forces back to their origins, which are probably other particles, and so on and so on.

            • ToastGhost [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              that sounds like a lot of computing to do, uh oh all the stars are gone and im not dont yet

                • ToastGhost [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  they only make as much energy as matter fell into them, still finite, youll run out of that too, another problem is that the longer this calculation takes, the further into the future you are, the less energy you have left, and the more past you have to simulate to recreate it all perfectly. The 14 billion years so far is nothing compared to how far along youll be by the time you gotta sip energy off a black hole.

                  • Bluegrass_Buddhist [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    I'm just saying, if I die and then wake up in 3000000 years and some guy is doing a Futurama-esque "WeLCoME tO ThE WoRlD Of ToMOrRoW!" Shtick above my regen-pod, I'm just gonna think, "called it."