statistically the car is gonna do me in anyway, id rather just teleport around and save countless hours and stress
also drinking poisoned water doesn't leave behind another you so not a great analogy. im not gonna die teleporting and even if my subjective pov ends during the process im not gonna notice it so meh
experience may be shafted but there would still be a "you" continuing on the exact same thought patterns, there would be no material difference between the person that entered and exited the teleporter
not sure why you're posting someone trying and failing to explain star trek with modern day physics that don't apply to the show's universe, but whether or not the sender portion of the teleporter disintegrates you is irrelevant as long as the information is saved
and even with the ridiculous amount of transporter accidents they show in star trek, it's still statistically less dangerous than a car and will have less information scrambling too :shrug-outta-hecks:
i mean the whole subjective viewpoint thing is just kinda moot to me, first it assumes that there even is a subjective continuity of existence that would be disrupted by spacial information transfer, and second it wouldn't matter to the person using the teleporter: even in a worst case scneario their experience would end without them noticing, and they won't notice it on the other end either
THE PERSON WHO ENTERED THE TELEPORTER WOULD BE FUCKING DEAD
you're making a bold assumption that the person who entered the teleporter isn't already subjectively dying in every instant of time, and only thinks that they aren't. we can prove "I think therefore I am", but we can't prove "I think therefore I am" five seconds later is the same uninterrupted "I" from before :shrug-outta-hecks:
BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE PROCESS
ALLOWING YOU TO PRETEND YOU ARE NOT DEAD
not sure how slow replacement vs instant replacement matters here, either what makes you "you" is the material information and the exact atoms that comprise it doesn't matter (allowing for like, aging), or the matter that does comprise you is important to what makes you "you", and we subjectively die all the time without noticing making this teleporter conversation kinda moot to begin with
then there is no reason, fundamentally, for me to not kill myself.
The illusion of continued existence is the only thing keeping me alive.
??? yeah im not seeing it lmao, you could literally use that argument with or without subjective continuity, 80 years is literally a picosecond in comparison to existence, we already exist in a relative "moment", what's the problem with existing in a moment? if in each moment "I" already "feels" that they're a continuity, and can experience the present, remember the past, and imagine a future, what does it matter if it TRULY is real? Within every moment you're still "You", and within every moment life is still meaningful.
my only point is, if this were true, then hopping into a teleporter wouldn't be any different than the shit we go through every second. it wouldn't devalue life at all
The only reason to not purposely end the perpetuation of these clones is out of a idealistic, misguided notion that existence is inherently good.
The only reason I don't kill myself now, subjectively feeling like I do exist in a span of eighty years, is because I have a "idealistic" "misguided" notion that existence is inherently good. Get the fuck out of here with your nihilism. Even life in just a single moment is worth living, someone who dies young doesn't have any less of a meaningful life.
In the case of the theoretical illusory continuity that we're talking about, it would be impossible to end a moment, since every instant of time is another "you" that can't be disrupted by it. It wouldn't matter if continuity was objectively illusory, because it would be subjectively real to "you". In fact it would allow the "You" you've had your whole life to continue past even a worst case pure disintegration, as long as the information is preserved. The saved information would be all that would be needed to effectively continue subjective continuity on the other side.
But regardless, it's not the thought experiment that makes me uncomfortable (if it were true, I would have died a near infinite amount of times while subjectively feeling just fine).
It's more of your choice of words on life in general (and on transient life).
If I were given a single moment to live, and told that my moment of living would give birth to another being who would remember me, I wouldn't feel horrified, I would feel glad in that moment. Glad I got to exist, if even for a second, glad I got to impact the future, and remember a past. It would be meaningful because I subjectively gave it meaning. In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
but that aside I do not have the professional qualification to respond to suicide ideation, I'm out and I hope you feel better :mao-wave:
statistically the car is gonna do me in anyway, id rather just teleport around and save countless hours and stress
also drinking poisoned water doesn't leave behind another you so not a great analogy. im not gonna die teleporting and even if my subjective pov ends during the process im not gonna notice it so meh
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yeah but its not similar, it's an identical "you"
experience may be shafted but there would still be a "you" continuing on the exact same thought patterns, there would be no material difference between the person that entered and exited the teleporter
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not sure why you're posting someone trying and failing to explain star trek with modern day physics that don't apply to the show's universe, but whether or not the sender portion of the teleporter disintegrates you is irrelevant as long as the information is saved
and even with the ridiculous amount of transporter accidents they show in star trek, it's still statistically less dangerous than a car and will have less information scrambling too :shrug-outta-hecks:
i mean the whole subjective viewpoint thing is just kinda moot to me, first it assumes that there even is a subjective continuity of existence that would be disrupted by spacial information transfer, and second it wouldn't matter to the person using the teleporter: even in a worst case scneario their experience would end without them noticing, and they won't notice it on the other end either
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you're making a bold assumption that the person who entered the teleporter isn't already subjectively dying in every instant of time, and only thinks that they aren't. we can prove "I think therefore I am", but we can't prove "I think therefore I am" five seconds later is the same uninterrupted "I" from before :shrug-outta-hecks:
not sure how slow replacement vs instant replacement matters here, either what makes you "you" is the material information and the exact atoms that comprise it doesn't matter (allowing for like, aging), or the matter that does comprise you is important to what makes you "you", and we subjectively die all the time without noticing making this teleporter conversation kinda moot to begin with
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??? yeah im not seeing it lmao, you could literally use that argument with or without subjective continuity, 80 years is literally a picosecond in comparison to existence, we already exist in a relative "moment", what's the problem with existing in a moment? if in each moment "I" already "feels" that they're a continuity, and can experience the present, remember the past, and imagine a future, what does it matter if it TRULY is real? Within every moment you're still "You", and within every moment life is still meaningful.
my only point is, if this were true, then hopping into a teleporter wouldn't be any different than the shit we go through every second. it wouldn't devalue life at all
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The only reason I don't kill myself now, subjectively feeling like I do exist in a span of eighty years, is because I have a "idealistic" "misguided" notion that existence is inherently good. Get the fuck out of here with your nihilism. Even life in just a single moment is worth living, someone who dies young doesn't have any less of a meaningful life.
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In the case of the theoretical illusory continuity that we're talking about, it would be impossible to end a moment, since every instant of time is another "you" that can't be disrupted by it. It wouldn't matter if continuity was objectively illusory, because it would be subjectively real to "you". In fact it would allow the "You" you've had your whole life to continue past even a worst case pure disintegration, as long as the information is preserved. The saved information would be all that would be needed to effectively continue subjective continuity on the other side.
But regardless, it's not the thought experiment that makes me uncomfortable (if it were true, I would have died a near infinite amount of times while subjectively feeling just fine).
It's more of your choice of words on life in general (and on transient life).
If I were given a single moment to live, and told that my moment of living would give birth to another being who would remember me, I wouldn't feel horrified, I would feel glad in that moment. Glad I got to exist, if even for a second, glad I got to impact the future, and remember a past. It would be meaningful because I subjectively gave it meaning. In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
but that aside I do not have the professional qualification to respond to suicide ideation, I'm out and I hope you feel better :mao-wave:
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