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  • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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    3 years ago

    Anarchists just need to realize that they aren't alone, simple as that. You can create a hierarchy, authority free community all you want, but the outside world still exists. What's the plan for dealing with the remaining Capitalist world? Are anarchists going to align with Capitalists against the evil China and Cuba? What are the plans for the petit-boug and bourgeoisie? Are they just gonna love anarchy so much they don't do a counter revolution (not saying all Anarchists ignore these questions, they just don't have easy answers in their model).

    The past two major Anarchist projects (the Commune and Catalunya) both failed pretty quickly whereas "authoritarian MLs" are still kicking and even growing.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      There's a few others. The KPAM was completely conflict-free with MLs helping them set up, it existed at the wrong time and in the wrong place though, collapsing with the assassination of their leaders. Mao was very friendly with them but they were probably only able to exist because they had communists in control in the territory next door. As soon as the situation in the civil war changed and they didn't have the communists in the next door territory they got destroyed.

      I think there's space for MLs and anarchists to coexist. I believe that as long as anarchists aren't presenting a threat to the ML nation then they have no reason to interfere with what the anarchists want to do next door. Living in the shadow of communists is probably the only way for any anarchist society to survive right now.

      Anarchists would probably play a very significant role in the fading away of the communist state in a post-capitalist world, being the major advocators of it and leading by example in any of their own societies that they managed to set up and hold. I'm actually pretty sure that there would be a few that would immediately attempt to leap to this once capitalism is no longer a global threat.

    • comi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Isn’t easy answer for bougie same as communist revolution? Hippity hoppity your factory/farm is now our property. The rest of capitalist world - yeah, they either have to be shielded, be prepared to vietcong their way for 10 years or be inside the imperial core

      • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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        3 years ago

        How you gonna take people's property without authority? What if they're charismatic and convince their subjects to give it back (c'mon man, y'all know this business is like a FAMILY where we treat everyone well!)

        • comi [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          How could they retake it without auothority? it’s same as strike finished to logical end point.

          If they are charismatic (or likelier, actually do something useful) and workers want to share, sure. I doubt amazon crew for example would welcome bezos.

            • comi [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Anarchists (allegedly, as I’m not enough read) are not opposed to army, they had army units before, just structured differently