"If you don't vote Blue, then it's your fault for the genocide of the Palestinian people in the imaginary future inside of my head where a Republican President backs an ongoing genocide rather than our incumbent genocide-backing Democratic President. "

"You can't expect Joe to magically stop enabling genocide overnight! He needs more time to stop enabling the genocide he's enabling! It's a big and difficult change to make, as we've always enabled this genocide!"

"Remember that time when the Cheeto said something stupid? Haha let's make a joke about the Cheeto conducting a nuclear holocaust against the most oppressed people in the world, who have already been THREATENED WITH THIS!"

"The Dems would need an even larger majority over the Republicans to take any action against the largest recipient of our foreign aid spending."

Is this not the shit they're saying?

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  • RustyVenture [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    I was just typing out something similar. I think liberals would absolutely be giving Trump a much harder time than they are Biden over his unconditional support for these atrocities. If Congress had the same composition it does today, I think Democrats would throw up whatever barriers they could to, at least performatively, put guardrails on the president's unfettered support of Israel. They were pretty upset when he moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, but never had any intentions to move it back to Tel Aviv.

    Dems would, in my mind, be demanding conditions for weapons sales, more of them would be calling for a ceasefire, they'd draw far more attention to specific instances of the IOF's and Israeli government's barbarism, the complicit media in both Israel and the US, and we'd likely see more vocal support for the pro-Palestine protests going on around the world. I'd wonder if other Western nations would make similar noises criticizing Trump. Would Dems still end up endorsing the inhuman actions they're supporting in this version of reality? Probably. They are still the running dogs of the empire after all, and very much bought and paid for, but I'm certain there would be a much more visible effort to at least appear to have some semblance of morality vis a vis "Bibi's best friend Donald" and the "GOP crazies"—especially with an election on the horizon where Trump wouldn't even be on the ballot. It's too good to pass up, and the optics make them look humane which is a tough thing to do.

    The longer this goes and the more nakedly deranged the Biden regime becomes, the more I feel the "Trump would be doing a thousand times worse!!" excuse holds little to no water. The best case you could make on that point is that the natsec ghouls might be able to act through him more effectively because he's a nationalist and a moron, but is that truly any worse than the natsec ghouls doing that already with a president who is an active participant in the game? It's truly insane how the circumstances have brought us to a point where one could credibly argue that Trump would be the harm reduction candidate on this.

    • happybadger [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      After all the outrage over Trump's immigrant policy and a few kids dying in the camps that Biden continued without so much as a peep from the media, I just imagine the headlines "8000 children dead under war Trump could stop at any time; Trump reaffirms that he is a Zionist and pledges to continue war" or "Trump responsible for Dresden in a month" or "Trump repeatedly lies about seeing decapitated children, uses it as false pretext for genocide against children". With this war more than any other, liberals have shown exactly who they are and exactly how fucking depraved that is. I'll never vote for anyone who wasn't vocally pro-Palestine from the start again because they're feral in a way that we euthanise dogs for.

      • RustyVenture [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        It's depraved. Could make the same argument about so many things that barely elicited a whimper from libs, too. On Covid, the blatant disregard for the science and killing off all protections, testing/tracking, etc., on immigration, on the bait-and-switch they did with the infrastructure bill and the GND (that they pulled that shit twice shows how little our opinions or our values even matter), on oil drilling, on breaking the rail strike, on mass shootings and Cop City, hell even the episodes where Biden is left wandering around the stage looking around for his invisible friend. All of this would've been met with incredible revulsion and acts of resistance if it was Trump (even if ultimately meaningless because America delenda est).