• abominacion [none/use name,des/pair]
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    3 years ago

    still need for capital participation and development

    Why? What exactly is there to develop further within a capitalist framework? You cant make "developing productive forces" argument for a country that is already by a far leading producer. Like 30% of entire worlds manufacturing is there.

    • vccx [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      China is still significantly behind. They've been trading places with the US on GDP PPP but they have like 5x the population. Per capita China is nowhere near parity with the USA. Poverty line is significantly lower. They are still a third world country in terms of living conditions and they are still behind on medical sciences, etc.

      The West literally killed Huawei's mobile business overnight while it was at the no. 1 spot for smartphone manufacturing. Capitalist encirclement and the collapse of China is still a very possible scenario. The reason China is still around today while the Soviet Union is gone is that China is maintaining mutually assured destruction on the American economy. It's holding the west hostage by keeping exclusive expertise and advanced production techniques concentrated in places like Shenzhen. They maintain that technological supremacy over the rest of the global south through constant technology exchange with a multitude of public and private entities across the globe. It will fall behind in most industries if it has to develop production techniques if its international trade completely blocked by the USA.

    • please_dont [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      China is still a developing country by most metrics with big rural population, big amounts of their population not in absolute poverty or poverty but dangerously close to it, rural/urban split, uneven development and shitton of infastructure left to built. "Producting forces" in that sense isnt just about abiltiy to produce good and services or raw production output. Bringing the whole 1.4 billion people country into modernity and daily material and infstructual conditions of the "first world" is still a job that is half way there and the only thing the CPC has declared about the country's condition after decades of reform and opening up is succeeding in the monumentous but incomplete goal of becoming a "moderately prosperous in all aspects" modern country

      Considering this and the huge gap between the current degree of presence and influence of the capitalist framework within China and the situation you describe of "continuing the development and distribution from now on outside of the capitalist framework" its obvious that ,even assuming an end goal of full communism, the presence of capital in development and economy and culture of China will continue and persist in probably and hopefully diminishing degrees for the next few decades.

      And thats probably whether the cpc likes it or not since even if you assume that everything from now on in China CAN be accomplished completely outside of the capitalist framework and even if we assume that the CPC KNOWS this and wants to realize it as soon as possible ,the shift can only be gradual at this point . Both with how the geopolitics are with the US ready to jump and exploint any instability and wrong decisions and with how intertangled china has become with domestic and foreign capital and how spread bourgois mindset has been in china .Large leaps and radical attempts to overnight move away from capitalism can only be disasterous at this point and the gradual process does mean continuing participation of capital in Chinas development. You may be surprised but i actually view the cultural revolution quite positively historicaly and at that point in time but since only that short of thing times 2-3 can uproot capitalism playing a major part in China's development within less than a decade, i have to say no thanks.