A Reddit post called the picture "red fash". I admit that it is controversial, since one may read it as mocking peaceful people who are not muscular, but on the other hand I think it is worthwhile to promote physical strength equally with mental strength and class consciousness. I bet that Specnaz, the special forces of USSR, were not formed from physically weak people. Maybe the picture is seen as a struggle between ideas of the "new left" and AES. What are your thoughts?
You can promote the need for physical development and health without playing into the whole "the modern left is soft and effeminate" garbage.
I agree that appreciation of physical strength isn't red fascism, but I feel like this meme is kinda mocking LGBT people for not being manly enough, so it's red fascism in another way. There's a reason the OP chose a picture with a lot of LGBT flags.
These queer people going out into the street are 100x stronger than any muscly edgelord pretending to gatekeep marxism as a strong white male thing lol
Promoting physical fitness does not mean beating down others fighting for their rights. Not everyone is 1) capable of working out, 2) interested in working out, 3) able to work out due lack of time/money/access to healthy food/whatever
Also I just noticed the word soy on the left panel lol. What is with ultras and their need to join the right in bashing people for eating plant based? I eat plant based and work out 4 times a week on average. I'm doing just fine. Stop being so insecure about not eating meat.
Soy is also incidentally one of the best plant sources of protein but chuds are afraid of it because they think consuming phytoestrogens is gonna make their dick fall of.
Using idealized pictures of masculine physical strength to implicitly mock the "weakness" of ordinary women and queer people for existing is chauvinistic and reactionary.
The image bears no relation to the question you pose. There is no reasonable interpretation of that image as an abstract promotion of physical health rather than as a condemnation of non-hetero masculinity.
tl;dr, this image is just reactionary sexist and masculinist garbage.
as far as a know, one of the meanings of red fascism is from alexander dugin, in a late 90's text he wrote proposing that russia become fascist because communism and liberalism failed russia, so the third option is that, fascism with the "red color", obviously trying to convince former members of cpsu. nowadays he learned that fascism is a nono word and came up with the fourth political theory, which is the same fascist shit, but with slippery vocabulary.
the fpt crowd sometimes even refer to themselves as being left and socialists, but bellow that there is chauvinism, misogyny, racism, lgbtphobia and whatnot very similar to patsocs and vaushers, including vocabulary like using the word soy. heck sometimes they even claim experiences like soviet union but devoided of material analysis of what they were building and appealing to idealistic and reactionary concepts, which fit this meme properly, like the "su were strong because because of they manliness, didn't dwelled in to gay shit, they were based".
the slippery part is they may deflect certain accusations by claiming it was just physical preparedness. note that sexuality and gender has nothing to do with fitness, you can be lgbt and athletic and being cis straight and have poor conditioning.
and last point is that people on the left picture might not even be socialist, could well be just progressive libs, corroborating even further to shit scarecrow tactic.
another meaning of red fash comes from anarchists, because they were historically persecuted by communists. and the last one is some horseshoe bullshit that commies and fash are the same, violent people.
And then there's Dialectics Unhinged, who claims China is "4PT Socialist", but then says that 4PT and Duginism are 2 different things
The picture on the right is a parade of gym teachers. That is not what the average Soviet man looked like.
As far as we often use that picture as a meme, it seems those weren't even average gym teachers. If you search for the Soviet athletes, you will notice that while all of them look fit and healthy, most are nowhere near those muscles. Also there was some weird trend of shaving heads in 30's and 40's apparently.
Also there was some weird trend of shaving heads in 30's and 40's apparently.
That's because the peak Soviet man was bald, had badass facial hair, and dunked on Kautsky.
You cannot compare images of two parades that served entirely different purposes. The purpose of an LGBTQ+ parade is a political protest against the harm to which queer people are exposed, they are not rigidly organised, and they depend on as many people showing up as possible. The purpose of an athletes' parade is to get kids interested in sport by demonstrating the capabilities of the human body, these parades are painstakingly planned in advance and have a clear distinction between the show and the audience. You could arrive at the reverse result by comparing e.g. a modern bodybuilding show against a May Day parade in the 1940s
The only part that reads as fash is using "soy" disparagingly.
also appealing to a idealistic and reactionary sense of masculinity, that we don't have socialism today because the left isn't "chad and based"
While it is good to extol strength of all flavors, I very don't like the perjorative usage. "Soy" as a derogatory screams chudfuck.
There is a FAR right chud grifter youtuber that uses soy as a pejorative while selling snake oil supplements with soy ingredients in them.
Much better ways to emphasize physical fitness but I admit that I very much prefer physical fitness and activity over lack thereof. Mao himself made a workout regimen for Revolutionaries to follow (I don’t recommend, it’s very old and outdated, if you started exercising according to that you really wouldn’t get that strong and would be denying SEVERAL muscle groups). Shaming people into working out is not useful, but we definitely need a lot lower Morbid Obesity rates in the US and enabling it is a mixed bag to me, idk how to explain it well
obiesty is a health issue that is structural in causes and solutions; there is a reason AES countries have very very low rates of obiesty/morbid obiesty; they can control advertising so fast food isnt predatory, have collective work out sessions/yoga as social events people can participate in mass groups and an emphasis on high speed rail and subway systems so people walk more
These pictures have nothing to do with socialism or fascism really. Now the way the image is framed is stupid and really tells how the poster has never read anything and just likes the aesthetics.
