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  • the_kid
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    11 months ago

    I think you're basically getting into astrology at this point. "oh Italians weren't 'fully' white, they were only 70% white whereas WASPs were 100% white and black people were 0% white, and the line to have rights is 50%"

    it's silly. again, these groups had certain rights specifically because they were white. if they weren't seen as white, they wouldn't have those rights.

    • Dolores [love/loves]
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      11 months ago

      racism is astrology, it's not based on any objective, measurable metrics and has constantly changed throughout history. people point this out by talking about anti-irish racism, because it was a real thing but farcical under the current construction of race. Eric Foner brings up interesting points for American-specific situations where people make mistakes in their narratives---but that isn't a rebuttal to the existence of anti-(people-who-were/are-considered-white-in-the-US) racism in Europe. the white/nonwhite dichotomy itself is US-ian, not the only way to construct a racialized social hierarchy

    • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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      11 months ago

      Whiteness is a social construct its not at all "astrology" to say you can be partially in the club and partially not in the club come on.

    • Dirt_Possum [any, undecided]
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      11 months ago

      "oh Italians weren't 'fully' white, they were only 70% white whereas WASPs were 100% white and black people were 0% white, and the line to have rights is 50%"

      ...But that's exactly how most racists saw it (and many still do). It is silly, but that doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a common worldview that did shape laws that in turn reinforced it. Are you saying that racists didn't believe in a racial hierarchy?